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Perfectly sums it up.
Some fucked up shit happened, the exact particulars are not the main story here
People claiming Israel is committing genocide... if thats the case why are the knocking roofs, and warning civilians to get out? I don't recall Hamas warning civilians, quite the opposite.
One side is specifically executing people of a certain race, the other is trying to prevent civilian casualties. Quite similar to right wing projection we see here in the US where one side accuses the other of doing exactly what they're doing to muddy the waters.
Hamas was specifically targeting Jewish civilians, not military targets, not strategic targets, they are actively attempting to commit actual genocide, anything to the contrary is just bullshit gaslighting.
24 hours to evacuate 1.1 million people into a closet with the implicit threat of, "if you stay, you are with the terrorists" is definitely genocidal behavior, just imo.
Ah yes, giving them warning to clear out and then bombing the areas they declared "safe" or exit routes. Totally the good guys. Maybe they'll give them some poison food to address the humanitarian crisis next.
Ah yes, "the murderers are not us, who declared killing your country our holy purpose and who regularly bomb your country by launching rockets from our civilian buildings and who mercilessly killed hundreds of your citizens in recent surprise attack. The murderers are you, who dared to try to defend from our attacks! Oh, and also your warnings are all lies, this is your propaganda to destabilize our society!"
Yeah, gloss over the continuous repression and murder of Palestinians and your argument sounds great.
Yo, nobody would be killing Palestinians if they wouldn't fire rockets and stuff. Simple logic. Also would've helped if those rockets weren't fired from civilian buildings.
Whoever is continuingly being asshole by firing rockets randomly and thinking they are improving their lives by trying to kill a whole country, have only themselves to blame for what is to come. It's no better than suicide, so one would question what Palestinians really mean by "freedom", or whatever they are trying to achieve.
Are you ignorant of the decades of history here or are you just ignorant of the current situation? In both cases, more Palestinians have been killed, including children. In fact, more than half of the current Palestinian population is under the age of 18. How do you think that happens?
Decades of history don't mean anything when we are talking about a situation where people have a choice to not start violence.
How Palestinians are getting killed? Hamas. Hamas is using Palestinians as a shield during their unprovoked attacks on Israel. It's been confirmed over and over again, also by themselves using it as a "oh look Israel kills our children" propaganda, which also involves fake news and dolls (also confirmed).
And how do you think new acts of unprovoked aggression can help improve anyone's population, by the way?
When do we consider the "start" of this violence then? 70 years ago when Israel subjugated Palestine? 1980 when the army started killing doctors and children? 2009, using white phosphorus grenades?
No matter how you spin this, Israel started this conflict. Palestinians lived in this area for far longer and before Israel was even a nation-state.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
The eye for the eye is not what unfolds right now. "We were wrong at assuming we may live peacefully together and at our ability to defend from your terrorism adequately, so we are now in the process to remove all of your terrorism" it is.
Either you’re ignorant or you’re intentionally being dishonest if you’re saying this.
Yeah you can skip that part if you don't like the wording. Peace is the absence of war.
And one side has been subjugating the other and committing war crimes for almost 80 years…
You mean Israel? And you also mean those war crimes were totally unprovoked by terrorist attacks?
You mean Palestine? And you also mean those war crimes that were totally unprovoked by an occupation, subjugation, and slaughter of so many of them that more than half are under the age of 18?
You’re dealing with two sides of the same coin.
One of the sides does not paint itself blood by killing civilians, telling children to do terrorism and be happy about it though.
You’re an idiot. One side has killed far more children than the other. It’s not even a close comparison.
Does any math like that enable another side do anything like what they did at October 7th and assume it will not lead to further escalation?
Does any math enable further escalation from Palestine based on the attacks and subjugation from Israel?
Sorry what? Maths don't enable any escalation. Actions do.