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Cheese-like product* for legal reasons we are not able to call it cheese.
Because it's not cheese. It's mush with cheese flavor.
You summarized the quint essence very good. Here is a star that you can stick in your book ⭐
I think you're being unfavourable too mush like products.
What's odd is it is literally cheese though. It's called cheese product because it is a spread, not whole cheese, and has been processed to not require refrigeration long term.
I did not know this until I googled it, so figured I'd share.
So it's not cheese. It's cheese product. Just like mayo is not eggs, but it's egg product. Not the same.
Mayo isn't eggs the way cake isn't eggs. These are different classifications.
And this isn't pure cheese. Otherwise it wouldn't be liquid.
I've eaten cheese so soft they were almost liquid
Some quick googling makes be believe there's usually about 30% cheese in there which, according to our labelling rules, means that it's not even a cheese product, much less cheese. Otherwise we'd be calling some frozen pizzas cheese products.
The lowest percentage you can go and still have cheese in the description is melt cheese preparations which are a minimum of 50% cheese, melting salts (duh) the the rest is other milk products (usually cream), then maybe some spices and herbs.
Spray cheese ingredient lists, OTOH, right-out start with "water" in the beginning. More or less sauce mornay for people without palate or dignity (there's no water in mornay but plenty of milk).
I'm in a hurry, so wikipedia, but
Cheez Whiz doesn't seem to come in spray bottles, the Kraft spray stuff seems to be Cheese Zip.
Going by the amazon listing Cheese Zip's German ingredient list is
I was a bit mistaken before: It's not 50% cheese as such but 50% of dry weight must be cheese, and at least 20% of the product must be dry weight. But they're not calling it Schmelzkäsezubereitung so chances are it isn't. Also WTF is "cheddar cheese and vegetable oil" supposed to mean as a combined percentage. I'm kinda surprised it's even legal but they're definitely telling on themselves, there.
This stuff is a melt cheese preparation, essentially our version of Cheez Whiz I think:
Bro u good?
I believe we have very different ideas of what "long term" means, but cheese eventually gets moldy under normal conditions.
How can it be processed to a point it doesn't need refrigeration long term, but its still "literally cheese though"?
It's more to do with the canning and extrusion process than in changes to the underlying product.
The processing is about how they achieve the necessary consistency. You can read comments in this thread about how to get this type of behavior (in general terms) from cheese using ingredients you (probably) have at home.
So you are trying to tell me it's 99% cheese
If you consider peppercorn cheese or something 99% cheese, yes. If not, it's just cheese.
Nah, afaik actual cheese ( fermented milk ) isnt legal in the usa, right? Reason why things like cheddar and this thing is so popular afaik
What about cheddar do you think makes it not "actual cheese"?
Yes actual cheese is legal in the US. I'm not sure where you heard that, but that is nonsense.
Fresh cheese curds are one of my favorite foods.
Just a quick google :
https://jsbaileycheese.co.uk/2017/01/01/certain-cheeses-illegal-usa/
https://www.tasteofhome.com/article/what-is-american-cheese-is-american-real-cheese/
And a few more. What i did see is that there are cheeses that have the bacteria, and arent proccessed stuff, that can be seen as cheese that are made in the usa, like some brie types ( today i learned! ) However, cheddar and this is not cheese. They are processed and do not contain the batercia that european cheeses would contain ( FDA doesnt allow them )
Europe is not the defining central authority on cheese, and I don't believe your links are entirely accurate. They state I cannot by roquefort cheese and not only can I, I do.
Here's a link to it at my local large-chain grocer. https://www.kroger.com/p/societe-roquefort-cheese/0028647710000