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Posting here and not on Ask Lemmy, since they ask for no politics and there's no rules here as far as I see against non-news.

So, how do you feel about that topic? I'm asking, because the topic is close to me. Some (all?) countries don't allow people who weren't born there to be politicians, at least on higher levels such as as president. You also aren't allowed to vote unless you hold a citizenship, but you're allowed to vote in a country where you don't live, but hold a citizenship of. You're even allowed to be a politician if you don't live in said country, apparently, at least in Germany.

I personally don't really feel too positive about the entire concept of citizenship. I think citizen rights should be inherent to anyone who has consistently primarily lived in a country for a reasonable amount of time (I'd say 2-3 years are reasonable, but I'm not hung up on that at all). I firmly believe you shouldn't have the right to vote in a country you don't live in, because you don't face the consequences of the outcome. You especially shouldn't be allowed to be a politician of a country unless you've lived there for a long time consistently (let's say, maybe minimum 5 years). I hope the quote "no taxation without representation" isn't controversial, because I find it very fitting. No taxation without representation should include immigrants and it should also extend into no representation without taxation, to exclude emigrants (not if you ever left, obviously, but if you don't reside in a country for ~over a year, you should lose your ability to decide its fate, since you're not affected).

I genuinely wish this was a topic I ever saw discussed by politicians. I'm a chronic immigrant and want to partake and addup to the communities I join. I also don't believe I should be able to vote in a country of which I hold a citizenship. I haven't lived there much, I don't live there and the outcome doesn't affect me at all. If I decided to go back, sure, I should regain the voting ability once it's clear through the time of my residence I'm there to stay and not just coming for a vacation.

I'd be happy to see discussion on this topic, as I feel it doesn't get any attention and absolutely should.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Go far enough back and there were no passports but you were near certain to be killed if you wandered into another tribes space. Horrific violence is incredibly common. Go further and you might be able to wander in to trade but not welcome to settle and only if a handful of assholes who run everything hadn't personally decided they had a dispute you ordinary folks ought to die over with zero recourse to pick new assholes.

Looking backwards is almost always a mistake because most of history is pretty awful.