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Every other forum has rules about these posts because there's such a glut of them, and yes, I could go read a stickied thread elsewhere, but here I am not doing that.

How would someone with no computer skills get acquainted with the OS? What version would you recommend to the hopeless novice? Can I keep windows on my PC and run the new OS or a practice version of it in a partitioned space while I learn? Can someone with minimal skills/time/patience be happy with a unix-like OS?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it depends on what your goals are.

My main goal is getting off windows, not because it doesn't do what I need (my needs are basic) but because they put ads in my OS. Also, every iteration seems to make a bigger mess of the settings/control panel, and open shell isn't enough for me anymore, although I often think fondly of the IT guy who turned me on to that years back. And the uninstallable (or difficult to uninstall) bloat. And it may just be me, but it seems like there are performance issues - I've a new desktop at work with better specs than the laptop I've kept on 10, and it seems to be panting under some pretty light loads.

I have a perception, which may be inaccurate, of linux as being for programmers who need to customize to suit their projects and thus rather fiddly, so I wonder if going to linux to get away from windows commercialism and constricting UI is just trading one set of problems for a harder set.

WSL sounds like a great option, and from what I just read the install is stupid easy, but I'm unclear if it's a simulation of linux inside of windows or just the implementation of a feature of linux. I imagine the command line is like the windows terminal: a method of more directly calling for your computer to do stuff. So if WSL is just the command line, then it won't simulate how the stuff I want to do interacts with ubuntu, but let me tell my computer what to do like I would in ubuntu?

How important is command line in Linux? Will a casual user need to access it frequently? Will my modest needs be better met by learning it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a ten-year-old child who has a laptop that I installed Fedora on, and they can do everything they need on it. Which is to say: Minecraft, web browsing, and modded Minecraft :)

I have a perception, which may be inaccurate, of linux as being for programmers who need to customize to suit their projects and thus rather fiddly

Yes, it's true that Linux used to be hard. It used to be finicky. It used to be ugly. But more modern distros make it pretty simple to do most things, from installation to software installation, system configuration, and updates, Ububtu and Fedora being good examples. Linux is still a favorite of programmers and hackers because it is infinitely customizable, but the defaults you get nowadays are pretty solid.

How important is command line in Linux? Will a casual user need to access it frequently? Will my modest needs be better met by learning it?

The command line is a great power tool for power users, a lot like the command prompt or maybe more accurately power shell for Windows. It allows you to do Great and Terrible things, but if your needs are simple enough you probably don't need it that often, if at all.

So I'd say forget WSL. It's not what you need right now. Try a bootable USB of Fedora (or Ubuntu, though I'm less of a fan for unimportant geeky reasons) to see what that feels like. Find a bootable image that runs KDE (like kubuntu) for a different feel that's also (apparently) easy to use. Maybe try Mint or PopOS and see what suits you... Each distro has a bit of a different feel, but that's mostly due tothe Desktop Environment (DE) they set up by default. There are a lot of options and you can mix and match the parts you like later...

Happy hacking, and good luck!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

though I’m less of a fan for unimportant geeky reasons

are the reasons snap by any chance? i'd call that a fairly important reason i'm typing this from mint and not vanilla ubuntu

ps. sorry for necro

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Snap is one, yes,.

I think the default gnome desktop you get with Fedora is nicer looking and easier to use than Ubuntu (at least the last time I tried it), so it's better for new users.

I also just feel like Fedora does a better job of being near the advancing edge of new software (pipewire audio for example) while retaining stability, but that's more of a gut feel thing and less emperically-based.