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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ve always leaned towards the side of Palestine, but no more. Hamas has been assaulting, raping, and murdering innocent people. Where’s the military strategy in that? How does that help Palestinians reclaim stolen land? There’s just no reason and no excuse. The Palestinian people broadly support Hamas, so it’s not like this is a handful of bad apples.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This likely was planned and coordinated with the help of an external power e.g. Iran. I can't speak for Hamas rationale, but Iran has a distinct interest in derailing the Israeli Saudi peace agreement coming up.

Israel leveling Gaza in response, might just do it. HOWEVER, unlike his pro-Palestinian father, MBS doesn't give two shits about Palestinians, so this will be good insight into how much influence/power resides in the Saudi King vs the Crown Prince.

Personally, I hope that deal fails, but only because it's part of a larger USA policy project in the ME that would provide additional American Military backed security guarantees for Saudi Arabia, which is just bad all around in my opinion.

Basically, Saudi Arabia formerly making peace with Israel is one of the American requirements for those security guarantees, amongst other issues.

Please don't mistake my desire to see that Saudi Israeli peace deal fall through as justification for the attacks, or even a greater interest in the middle east. It's purely out of my disdain for the American alliance with Saudi Arabia, and my desire to see it end.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas benefits from having a conflict, and atrocities make conflicts harder to resolve. People will die, mothers will cry, Hamas will be there to offer revenge. It makes more sense when you stop trying to see them fighting for their people and more like a power parasite.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is likely correct, but given this, support should be much lower than it is.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you mean support from the domestic population or external sympathisizers?