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UBI Cash Payments Reduced Homelessness, Increased Employment in Denver (www.businessinsider.com)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe you’d like to explain who and why people would choose to work when they entirely don’t have to?

Two reasons:

UBI provides a baseline level of income to keep people out of poverty. But people tend to want more than just the basics, and deciding to work provides additional income for luxuries.
People, in general, are inherently motivated to create, and will do so without the threat of death on the streets. Meaning people will still voluntarily work, only they will do so on their terms.

But also, with the increasing levels of automation possible, human labour is needed less and less to fulfil our needs. We need to decouple being able to live from employment. Because the path we are currently on involves artificially increasing consumption and creating meaningless jobs to justify paying people enough money to live.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Doubt

What do you mean doubt? That people often choose to work more to afford more stuff is utterly uncontroversial. That's how the capitalist system is argued in favour of today.

On the other hand if you are admitting that capitalism forces people to labour under the threat of death, then it is an evil system, and morally must be eradicated.

Well it’s a nice utopian thought but not realistic.

Because of troglodytes like yourself. Here I thought you were asking in good faith. Serves me right.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. It isn’t. Some people? Sure. Many people already live off of welfare and already choose not to work.

Yes. It is utterly uncontroversial. Most people aspire to have some luxuries in their life. And people go the extra mile to afford them. The fact that some people are on welfare, which often effectively prohibits even small amounts of work those people might otherwise want to do, doesn't change that.

And who cares if some small proportion of people just want the basics and aren't willing to work more? Do you literally want to force them with death to make them work? Why? They don't want to be there, they're unhappy to be there, they aren't motivated, they aren't productive. And I don't blame them!

And now you think I’m not? Why? Because I didn’t roll over and agree with everything you said?

Because you responded to something easily observable with the brainless "doubt".

You are either trolling or just remarkably stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.