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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Flying is disastrous for the climate, it should be much more expensive and regulated.

Getting rid of hidden bullshit fees is good but we really don't want more people flying, we want less.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Per fuel/mile/cargo, aircraft are actually very efficient. Better than one or two people sitting in a gas powered car which is how most people drive. Of course, there aren’t transatlantic highways being driven across by armadas of single occupant cars, so the fuel usage is far higher for airplanes in such instances.

Let’s rephrase your position such that long-distance travel is bad for the environment regardless of the mode, period. There more energy efficient methods such as trains, especially local electric trains, but they are slow (unless you’re lucky enough to have a TGV or similar nearby).

[–] joelthelion 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Per fuel/mile/cargo, aircraft are actually very efficient

Not really : https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That chart says “per passenger mile” and doesn’t seem to include cargo.

E: and I don’t disagree that short-hop domestic flights are worse for the environment. High-speed trains should definitely be used in that instance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Relative to passenger cars, they really sort of are.

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