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I like to think that the SU collapsed from a grain deficit. That's primarily an internal problem.
But that's a side-argument. Where can I find the blueprint for a working non-competitive organization?
We MLs look to USSR, China, and the many smaller socialist countries such as Vietnam, Cuba etc. as examples of a preferable system.
The moment socialism is achieved in a country, all its standards of living skyrocket, by every metric. They often achieve rapid development, a boom of technological research, and a vast reduction in power of the personalities Keynes is referring to.
As Farvana above hints, the only reason this system hasn't rapidly become the standard worldwide is because of the powerful capitalist class greedily and violently protecting its power. Essentially almost every major conflict in the last century has ultimately been about the capitalist class, based in Western host nations, fighting to destroy socialism, the only thing that truly threatens their power.
Socialism is foundationally built on human cooperation. While there are many heart-warming examples of the peoples of these countries working fiercly together, both among themselves and with other countries oppressed by the West, they were born into a hostile world controlled by capitalism and have often had to emulate their enemies just to survive. China in the late 20th century used competition, among other capitalist mechanisms, in order to develop, integrate themselves into the world economy, and to appear obedient to the West so they could quietly build up enough power to act truly independently.
The reason the USSR collapsed is complicated but it really is just a matter of 8 decades of siege and the occasional foundational mistake all piling up and finally materializing in a capitalist coup of the socialist government that was wildly unpopular; it was THEN that lifestyle metrics sharply tanked. Socialism is the newest system in humanity, it has scarcely been around 100 years, it is experimental and the USSR was the first country of its kind. China carefully took notes and devised strategies to make sure they didn't suffer the same fate.
"Human rights abuses on an unprecedented scale"
You either don't believe what you're writing or you're engaging in holocaust denial... And denial of so many other atrocities. If you have actual criticism you can present it but this is just awful.
So you didn't actually have any criticism or anything to say? You just wanted to drop some casual holocaust denial, walk it back, and be an ass?
You walked it back immediately but you absolutely did. Where did I blatantly lie?
Okay I'm gonna stop acting nice because it's completely pointless.
This is absolutely fucking moronic and the best I can make of it is that you're trying to say "I can technically claim anything is unprecedented because time is linear and therefore anything that ever happens is unprecedented." which is the dumbest fucking reddit-brained shit I can imagine.
The bit where you said China is carrying out human rights abuses on an unprecedented scale is fucking holocaust denial because pretending that a "cultural genocide" where neither the UN nor even the most ardent propagandists at the US state department claim that a single person has been killed is worse than THE SYSTEMIC MURDER OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE is fucking disgusting.
I haven't even touched the fact that all your arguments are completely made up, you're a fucking holocaust denier even in your own made up scenario.
Don't you people ever get tired of confirming every single stereotype about anglos?
You're absolutely right. You never outright denied the Holocaust, you only belittled it. You're a Holocaust belittler and you can't possibly argue against that. The best thing you can say at this point is "I belittled the Holocaust and it's victims by claiming that China is carrying out human rights abuses on an unprecedented scale. That was wrong of me." Us scum and pieces of shit, as you call us, usually group downplaying the severity of the Holocaust together with Holocaust denial.
You use inflammatory and exaggerated language, probably because you're racist, definitely because you are ignorant. You repeat nonsense you've heard and probably even make some lies up yourself and justify it by thinking "It's okay to lie a little, they're our enemies.".
Did your slur get removed? Was it racist? Homophobic? Ableist?
Yeah, you people, cracker brits.
"China is committing human rights abuses on an unprecedented scale" is indirectly mentioning the Holocaust. Unless you don't know what unprecedented means? Were you trying to say big?