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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Capitalism doesn’t need infinite growth.

Wrong. Marx explains this and reality confirmes it all the time. What happens when the capital runs out of the roon for growth? It crashes in a crisis, simple as. Every decade or so, for the last 200 years. Crisis destroys some capital, leaving some room to grow in this place, but every time, countless human being suffer and the wealth gets even more concentrated. Also the profit margin is on average dropping.

That’s where capitalists work, they have to pick or make the winners.

And you say you don't see the concentration of wealth as being inherent to capitalism? Someone wins, someone have to lose.

I wouldn’t give up on the majority maintaining a tax rate.

"Majority" don't have power in capitalism. Capital has. For well known example, for how long majority of USA citizens wants public healthcare? Decades, and nothing happened. How long are people in most capitalist countries against austerity? Yet they are getting consecutive rounds of it, both in boom and in bust. Why are neoliberals in power almost everywhere in capitalist countries while being unpopular? Etc. etc.

Ignorance is paying off, so people don’t care but that can change. The question is how?

Yes, and we have ample historical proof people can take the power and use it in good way. Answer is socialism.

I don’t believe that socialists are inherently less corrupt.

They you believe wrong. Take out profit motive, that will took out most of it, by the definition.

My last paragraph was not about hardship but policy-altering threats. If socialism needs them then it’s as dependent on competition as capitalism.

What kind of competition do you even mean here?