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    [–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There is so many distros that are just ubuntu without snaps, is just a matter of picking one of them

    [–] woelkchen 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Over time, Canonical will replace close to everything with Snaps. Ubuntu Remixes are not the solution. They just count towards Ubuntu's installed base and validate Canonical.

    [–] NightAuthor 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    What do you have to change to make it not count towards their numbers?

    [–] woelkchen 5 points 1 year ago

    Not access their repositories would be one thing because the only somewhat close approximation of installed base is through repository accesses.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Honestly i agree, that's why i love that more and more debian based distros are emerging, lot of times from distros that used to be based on ubuntu

    [–] woelkchen 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    that’s why i love that more and more debian based distros are emerging

    How many votes in Debian councils does Canonical own these days? The systemd vs Upstart discussion and vote at Debian was so protracted because Canonical bought votes in Debian's Technological Council.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I didn't knew that, the canonical influence on debian can really become a problem down the line. I will also checkout more about what canonical did along the years

    [–] woelkchen 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    systemd vs Upstart began almost exactly 10 years ago: https://www.phoronix.com/news/MTQ5NzQ

    When I tried looking up current affiliations, I was either super clumsy in googling or potential conflicts of interests are simply not documented. https://www.debian.org/intro/organization.en.html lists the members but not who sponsors their work and googling each name individually is a bit too much for what's only superficial curiosity on my part, so I'm honestly out of the loop who is being paid by Canonical these days.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    Thank you, i'm going todive deeper on this when i have the time

    [–] spikederailed 2 points 1 year ago

    This is what I fear as well. I'm still running Kubuntu, as I have been for years. Next time I build a system it may just be time for Debian Testing or sid. I've been messing with both on some Intel NUCs I have laying around.

    [–] toasteecup 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Do you know if they use ubuntu's kernel? That is my sticking point.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    Most of them use, unless you pick something like pop os that has it's own kernel packages it will use the default ubuntu kernel

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

    Pop os, linux mint, linux lite, etc.

    The first 2 may do a lot pf changes to the base but that's what make them better them ubuntu in my opinion