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Enshittification
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What is enshittification?
The phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits. (Cory Doctorow, 2022, extracted from Wikitionary) source
The lifecycle of Big Internet
We discuss how predatory big tech platforms live and die by luring people in and then decaying for profit.
Embrace, extend and extinguish
We also discuss how naturally open technologies like the Fediverse can be susceptible to corporate takeovers, rugpulls and subsequent enshittification.
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Yes, to some extent. I haven't had any arguments my self, but generally there is more discourse, replies are longer and less inside-reddit-joke type replies. Lemmy right now feels like a message board from the early 2000's, and that's a good thing.
The main thing that made me leave Reddit was how frequently you'd see bots reposting stuff for karma, so the account be sold. Or positive comments on shitty unpopular things that looked a lot like astro turfing.
On reddit I have DEFINITELY seen down vote brigades down vote someone into oblivion though.
Yeah, discourse feels more natural and less encumbered by obscure algorithms and SEO. Not having a karma score to protect helps a lot too. No one here cares about your karma which encourages echo chambers of parroted jokes and approved opinions. FAANG/SV controlled platforms are constantly sanitized for advertisers and in the case of YouTube, you have AI-assisted auto-censoring and comment shadowbanning so I constantly feel there like walking on eggshells. I remember this wasn't the case back in 2014, it's all caused by recent antifeatures introduced later on into the platform.
By contrast, here in Fedi you have no obscure algorithms nor shadowbans and you constantly interact with people from different instances which can have vastly different points of view and ethos than yours so you naturally get to see a genuine, diverse and vibrant space of conversations.
As for astroturfing and bots, these seem like things that come naturally to massive platforms once they reach the mainstream. To be honest this place feels a little vulnerable to these if moderation can't catch up. Luckily lemmy.world's owner is a trusted party with experience running Fediverse instances.