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Majority of Americans continue to favor moving away from Electoral College (www.pewresearch.org)

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65% of U.S. adults say the way the president is elected should be changed so that the winner of the popular vote nationwide wins the presidency.

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[–] PizzaMan 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’ve yet to make compelling argument

I've said it in several other places in this thread.

All votes should be counted equally.

as to why we would change a system that works perfectly.

It doesn't work perfectly.

It makes it so that if you don't live in a swing state, your vote is effectively meaningless. If you're a democrat in a heavy republican state, then your vote will never go towards supporting your candidate of choice. If you're a republican in a heavy republican state, the same applies. If you're a republican in a heavy republican state, your vote also doesn't do shit, because your state was going to vote republican anyway. Unless you're in a swing state, the current system basically ignores you.

It also makes it so presidential candidates only ever cater towards swing states, and the cities within those swing states. All the rest of the states are basically ignored.

The electoral collage prevents third party candidates from ever having a chance because it is inherently a FPTP system, which inherently biases a two party system, which is a huge part of why our country is so fucked right now.

And on top of all of that, there have been several elections in which the candidate with the most votes has lost. That is a broken system.

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[–] PizzaMan 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That isn’t a compelling argument. It isn’t even a logical argument.

You didn't ask for a syllogism.

That isn’t a broken system. That is a system working as designed.

Then it is a terrible system. I don't care what synonym for bad you think is most accurate here. The electoral college is inferior.

You may not understand the perfection of the electoral college

The founding fathers were not gods. They intended for the constitution to change over time as things become outdated, and this is one of those things. The president elected president should most accurately represent the people, and we don't get that with the current system.

What you want to do would require a constitutional amendment

This is a separate tangent, so I won't bother addressing it.

We are not a democracy

We are a democratic republic.

Democratic - we vote

Republic - for representatives

This is grade school levels of understanding that you are missing out on.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/10/1122089076/is-america-a-democracy-or-a-republic-yes-it-is

There is a reason we are still ticking while other nations have fallen or never prospered the way we have

It ain't the electoral collage that got us here.

and part of that is by not allowing changes on a whim. The system was meant to move slowly and methodically. It was meant to have checks and balances.

An electoral college doesn't have anything to do with allowing changes on a whim, or moveing slowly and methodically. All it is, is a way of counting votes. Counting the votes in a more accurate method doesn't change the speed of the process. And you can still have checks and balances under a popular vote.

Now if we could just remove the voting rights from poor people, we would be able to get this country back on track.

Are you joking, or are you actually this misinformed/malicious/mislead?

Popular doesn’t mean good.

Never said it did.

Joe won the popular vote and now we are all paying for his incompetence with rampant inflation. We can’t survive another four years of having such a popular president.

He won because of the electoral collage, because of how it forces a two party system. Joe Biden is the result of your oh so fond electoral college. If we had something that actually elected officials that we all like (see STAR voting), Joe Biden would never have become president.