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[โ€“] CountZero 20 points 1 year ago (18 children)

No, it's not. Next question...

Seriously though, doesn't basically every experiment in brain surgery and neuroscience disprove this idea? We know how different structures in the brain contribute to consciousness. We can't explain the mechanism 100%, but that doesn't mean that every piece of matter secretly has some consciousness embedded in it. It's God of the Gaps nonsense.

I'm not against posting stuff like this. Obviously serious people take this idea seriously. Just none of the people taking it seriously study brains.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well, we know that the simple fact of observing an event changes it (see the Double Slit experiment), so consciousness has to have some kind of link to reality itself, no?

We currently do not know what consciousness even is exactly, and we know only about the human consciousness, but there can be other degrees of consciousness within other particles in the universe.

And even if current-day experiments disprove something, that doesn't mean it will in the future, just like before Einstein's laws of relativity proved that gravity bends spacetime and that it is relative according to the point of observation.

And I'm sure people that study neuroscience ask this same question from time to time. It's a scientist's duty to find the factual truth about things, even if they disprove everything they know so far. We can't rule out something as impossible just because we haven't observed it yet, as it would directly contradict the scientific method, and therefore cease to be science.

[โ€“] CountZero 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can't rule out something as impossible just because we haven't observed it yet, as it would directly contradict the scientific method

Figuring out what's possible versus impossible isn't really part of the scientific method. The scientific method is about collecting and interpreting evidence. Where is the evidence that particles are conscious?

Until there is a testable hypothesis, panpsychism doesn't have anything to do with science.

Others in this thread have already explained that consciousness doesn't play any role in the double slit experiment. I definitely understand your confusion there. I believed the same thing at one point. It doesn't help that some people purposely spread that false interpretation of the experiment because it's more interesting than reality.

[โ€“] semperverus 4 points 1 year ago

It would help if we started explaining that an "observer" in quantum mechanics is another singular quantum particle like an electron or a photon. To "observe" means to collide or entangle.

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