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California bill to have human drivers ride in autonomous trucks is vetoed by governor (apnews.com)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom has vetoed a bill to require human drivers on board self-driving trucks, a measure that union leaders and truck drivers said would save hundreds of thousands of jobs in the state.

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[–] xkforce 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes because theres nothing safer than a truck driver thats been awake for 24 hours because their schedule is so tight they dont really have time for sleep. /s

The actual issue is that autonomous driving will make millions of peoples' jobs obsolete not that it couldn't be as safe as a person driving if not more so.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are two issues. First, self-driving cars just aren't very good (yet?). Second, it will make millions of people's jobs obsolete, and that should be a good thing, but it's a bad thing, because we've structured our society such that it's a bad thing if you lose your job. It'd be cool as hell if it were a good thing for the people who don't have to work anymore, and we should structure our society that way instead.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Self-driving cars have been safer than human drivers for years. There are bugs but nothing like the bugs humans have. The roadblocks to adoption right now are public perception and legislation.

[–] rifugee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Where are truck drivers staying awake for 24 hours? In the US, there are daily and weekly limitations and rest requirements, including a mandatory 10hr consecutive rest period every day.

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/how-many-hours-a-day-can-truck-drivers-drive

[–] xkforce 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

sleep deprivation prevalence among a sample of truck drivers: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430925/

Hours of service violations: https://www.ccjdigital.com/business/article/14937499/analysis-from-eroad-shows-driver-hos-violations-increasing

30 minute break, 11 hour and 14 hour violations are the most common and thats what is caught

[–] rifugee 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thanks for the sources; however, the National Library of Medicine is using data from 1993 and the other doesn't specify by how much the violations rates are increasing or what the rates even are and the link to the underlying data appears to be dead.

edit: I had time to look into this further and it appears that it was very common to fudge the paper logbook, but as of 2017 they're required to use electronic logbook devices (ELD's), so that is no longer possible. Yes, sleep deprivation due to violating the hours of service regulations was definitely a thing in the past, but I can't find any data that indicates that it still is.