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[–] [email protected] 84 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Zoning for single-family housing is regulation and is done to boost landlord profits at the expense of working people.

The mortgage-interest tax deduction only benefits wealthier households, while giving nothing to poorer households who rent.

There are many regulations that artificially funnel money upward and would be improved by "deregulating" those parts. Deregulation doesn't have to mean removing safety procedures.

If the states and cities legalized dense housing then much poverty would be relieved.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sure. I don't think anybody is arguing that there is any country that couldn't give their regulations a once-over and improve things by removing a few counter-productive ones here and there.

That's not what American style libertarians are actually arguing when they say they want deregulation though, is it?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

That's generally the type of thing libertarians get upset about. Or shit like floral licensing or cracking down on people braiding hair (this is generally black people, obviously) or the bazillion other types of regulatory capture. Farm subsidies and ethanol mandates/fuel subsidies are also a shitshow.

[–] blueeggsandyam 4 points 11 months ago

Exactly! Libertarians point to one regulation that isn’t working and push total deregulation. Why not just fix that one regulation? No, absolute deregulation is the only answer.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 22 points 11 months ago

Exactly. It's stupid to be like libertarians and take a hardline stance on "regulations always bad!!" or "regulations always good!!". A regulation that bans building dense, walkable communities is bad and needs to be eliminated. Likewise, regulations that ban teachers from talking about the existence of gay people are also bad and need to be eliminated.

Just like we try to use regulations for good, many others use regulations for ill. It will always be context-specific specific whether we need more regulation or deregulation.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

When actual libertarians get a chance to run a town, they don't start by eliminating zoning laws. This is the kind of thing that happens instead.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Bears have a better libertarian ideology

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not surprised by the fact it did collapse, but i'm surprised that libertarians, of all people, did not try to solve the bear problem using extensive amounts of firepower.

[–] Ryumast3r 1 points 11 months ago

It did mention that several times the town did form posses to go and cull the bears, but didn't do enough because you also had people just feeding the shit out of them.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 4 points 11 months ago

Let the bears pay the bear tax!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You talk as if benefiting the ruling class was an unwanted consequence of these laws. It’s not. The markets need to be free for the rich to benefit but restricted for the rich to benefit. And maybe some crumbs will fall of the table and the poors will think that the rich are so generous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So, you are agreeing with libertarians?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, there should be rules to benefit the poor. But many of the laws now in effect in particular in the US are specifically not built for that. So many laws would better be dropped than enforced, and many are missing.

[–] finnie 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's the irony.

But Density means communism to them so they're suddenly fine with regulations and taxes that prop up an unsustainable suburban ponzi scheme because that's the lie sold about the American Dream.

When they see how unaffordable housing has become they say, "good, my house is more expensive."