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I've seen people call themselves "senior" after 3 years on the job, other become CTOs in the same time, and others still have a senior title after 20(!) years in the industry yet have a fuckton of technical experience.

I've heard that they are all just titles and opinions from "if you don't have the technical skill you can't call yourself a senior", to "senior and staff are just a feeling, principal is the actual senior" and "staff? above senior? we call that manager".

What's your story? Is there a ladder? Do you feel like you belong on it? Where are you on it? Does it make sense? Did you see major bumps in salary? Did titles count at all?

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[โ€“] glarf 52 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't think titles directly transfer between companies, and yet the industry allows it. It's a very useful tool for advancement.

Time on the job does not equate to skill. Some jobs force you to figure shit out that other jobs simply never expose you to. Other jobs expose you to lots of busywork and that isn't going to make you a better engineer either.

I've met senior engineers with 3 years that are significantly more useful than senior engineers with 10 years. Individual motivation and willingness to learn matter the most to me.

I have used the ladder to my advantage and advise others to do the same. It's a game, you don't win by not playing.

[โ€“] PriorProject 9 points 1 year ago

I don't think titles directly transfer between companies, and yet the industry allows it. It's a very useful tool for advancement.

This may be true on some corners of the industry, but at the more competitive end (both in terms of competitive pay, and a competitive pool of candidates)... I believe it's common to relevel on hire. I've seen folks go from director to senior and from senior to junior at my org. The candidates being offered those seemingly big "demotions" often seem to be somewhere between unphased and enthusiastic about the change, presumably because the compensation package we offer at the lower level beats what they were getting with an inflated title and because they know their inflated title is nonsense and they're frustrated with the other aspects of organizational dysfunction that accompany title inflation at their current company.

What you say is real, and sometimes a promotion in one org can help bridge you into an org that would have been hard to get hired into as a junior, or harder to get promoted in. It's not without risk though. All things being equal, I'd much rather spend my time working on a strong team and learning a lot and being challenged than to be in a weaker org that's handing out inflated titles. Getting gud isn't a guarantee of advancement, but it's at least as reliable over the long haul as title inflation.

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