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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (9 children)

@li10 @aelwero (do we not have long term data on use of nicotine by inhalation? )

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Not exclusively. Nicotine inhalation traditionally has been in combination with the rest of the chemicals and tar in cigarettes.

Personally... yes? I know some vapers who have been around in the industry for almost 20 years. I've heard reports around x-rays of older vapers coming out nearly the same as a nonsmoker.

The real enemy of nicotine inhalation seems to have more to do with what carries it rather than the nicotine itself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There are absolutely cardiovascular impacts of chronic nicotine use that are independent of any lung issues you'd have from inhalation. That would be true of any drug, and we're well acquainted with the dangers of PAD and increased heart attack and strokes from nicotine use. It's a vasoconstrictor so that makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@roguetrick @thehatfox @aelwero @li10 @BlinkerFluid

Well, Peripheral arterial disease isn't, i think, from vasospasm.
And the effects you point to seem to be acute, rather than chronic.

The magnitude and frequency of effects are significant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

@roguetrick @thehatfox @aelwero @li10 @BlinkerFluid
If I were looking for subtle trouble, I'd look at the brain, which might be influenced in its development by a psychoactive chemical in childhood.
And at the wetware that runs on it.
Not at the chassis.

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