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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

For anyone who doesn't read the article but gets upset at the title because climate friendly meat actually exist. It's about a new label for meat that says "Environmental Friendly". Similar to the certificate for "Organic" or "GMO-FREE".

And the certificate is bullshit. Even in it's strictest form you only need a 10% reduction in CO2 production to the industry standard to qualify. Which is nothing.

But it gets worse, the rating is done by third party companies who have leeway in setting the industry standard. One company even has the industry standard set higher than the actual industry average.

So overall the certificate is bullshit that makes people feel better but doesn't actually do anything.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Does climate friendly meat actually exist? I don't really understand how, at least not at the volume people eat meat today.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course it exists. There is venison and other wild hunted meat. In many places these animals have to be shot anyhow for population control. Overhunting would be the only issue here.

Then there are purely pasture fed animals. Especially with goats this is common . But there are also some cattle and pig farms. As long as the land itself wasn't deforested and is given enough time to repair itself, it's perfectly sustainable.

Then there are things like keeping chicken in your garden that are only fed kitchen scraps. Depending on your household size you can even keep 1-2 pigs that way.

If any of these options are available to you, they can be more environmental friendly than some plant based foods. Locally sourced version is definitely better than having plants shipped across the globe.

As you said the only issue is the quantity and also the desire for premium cuts. A lot of meat is currently wasted because it's "undesirable". Some parts will find their way into animal food but a lot also just gets thrown away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

At the end I said at the volume of consumption we have. If everyone switched to wild game we'd instantly go from over population to over hunting and that's not sustainable. You wouldn't be able to support the volume with pasture raised without deforestation either. Raising your own animals also wouldn't match the volume that people eat meat currently either. Even if we were more efficient with the meat we use I still think we'd be orders of magnitude off. I'm not totalitarian anti meat, I just don't see any path to sustainability without huge decreases in consumption. The things you pointed out are great, but I think we can't mislead people into thinking that will be enough for them to not have to change their eating habits.

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