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What would you do if Capitalism didn't curb your potential and force you to sell most of your time? (lemy.lol)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I often daydream about how society would be if we were not forced by society to pigeon hole ourselves into a specialized career for maximizing the profits of capitalists, and sell most of our time for it.

The idea of creating an entire identity for you around your "career" and only specializing in one thing would be ridiculous in another universe. Humans have so much natural potential for breadth, but that is just not compatible with capitalism.

This is evident with how most people develop "hobbies" outside of work, like wood working, gardening, electronics, music, etc. This idea of separating "hobbies" and the thing we do most of our lives (work) is ridiculous.

Here's how my world could be different if I owned my time and dedicated it to the benefit of my own and my community instead of capitalists:

more reading, learning and excusing knowledge with others.
learn more handy work, like plumbing and wood working. I love customizing my own home!
more gardening
participate in the transportation system (picking up shifts to drive a bus for example)
become a tour guide for my city
cook and bake for my neighbors
academic research
open source software (and non-software) contributions
pick up shifts at a café and make coffee, tea and smoothies for people
pick up shifts to clean up public spaces, such as parks or my own neighborhood
participate in more than one "professions". I studied one type of engineering but work in a completely different engineering. This already proves I can do both, so why not do both and others?

Humans do not like the same thing over and over every day. It's unnatural. But somehow we revolve our whole livelihood around if.

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[+] Mudface -7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Omg, bro don’t spout this communist manifesto shit at me please!

And to the second part “then we’ll just make more tires” is where the devil is in the details. How is that organized? How is that, more importantly, enforced?

You can’t just “bourgeoisie” and the. “We’ll just make more” and skirt off into the sunset. How will we, how exactly will we, make more tires?

Like really dive in here, because this is where the rubber meets the road. How do we ‘just make more’? Where do the workers come from? How do they know we even need to make more tires? Who tells them? And what happens if …. No one shows up to make any more tires?

What if everyone is too busy hiking, or learning a new language, or doing art or writing great novels to make more tires?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you really want to dive in then just go and read Capital. Otherwise, the short and sweet of it is that it would really be up to the workers. The particular solutions will probably vary depending on the industry, location, the status of the revolution and whatnot, but it might involve combinations of time banks, computer AIs, human engineers just doing the math, and/or even some forms of markets and price signals.

[–] Zippy 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Heard that before. Remember the USSR?

Why would anyone with a bit of critical thinking believe that would be a good model to try again. It is such a joke.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The critical thinker would consider that maybe the material conditions of the people of the former USSR would be better if dissolution never happened, that they are much better even 30 years after dissolution than if the USSR never happened in the first place.

[–] Zippy 1 points 1 year ago

No they fucking wouldn't. The USSR was completely failing and was being propped up by using up every resource and relying on old technologies to not break down. The house was slowly deteriorating and the sooner they left that model the sooner they could get on track to a sustainable system.

Unfortunately there was so little left after years of communism that it was pretty hard to kick start a functional economy. Communism just ingrained corruption so deep it is hard to invest there. Then you got a dictator type of government that again is centralizing much of their output and this is what you get. Shit economy with incredible stability.

Pretty much same in any country that has any model like that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is quite an in depth solution to sortof what you're talking about

https://www.thevenusproject.com/

It really only covers making sure people are fed, housed and watered. Personally I think cars are a pain in the arse, I'd rather run or cycle everywhere, but then that's not everybody. If you really liked them, and you were fed, housed and watered, you'd definitely have time to look at building or contributing to building one, assuming people don't tell you to fuck off because it's a noisy, smelly death trap...

Unfortunately, the likelihood would be that a lot of people couldn't handle being in the same kind of housing as everyone else, because they believe they're special. But logically this makes much more sense that what we're currently doing. Capitalism is extremely wasteful.

And before you say, well you'd never get people to agree to this. I think the tankies/fascists have solutions to that problem, you're just encouraging them...