Suomi

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Hi, and thanks for contacting us.

We can start by saying that we are not planning or hoping to keep the subreddit closed forever, and actully wish to open it as soon as possible. With your help we hope we can find a way to reopen the r/suomi subreddit as soon as possible.

First of all, the decision to close the subreddit was driven by the will of the community, so we are not working against it. While the initial blackout of few days that ended already was an unilateral decision by the moderator team, but after that we made the subreddit not private, and asked out users in the pinned post https://www.reddit.com/r/Suomi/comments/149heon/rsuomi_on_rajoitetusti_auki_ota_kantaa_jatkosta/ about what should we do next: open the subreddit for the community, or make it private until the concerns and demands of /r/Save3rdPartyApps are addressed in some way by by Reddit. The community answered, and out of the 1934 votes cast in https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd1Xui33Jw5Ln23AsKaHgfxhA3xXW7N1AvuMy8k9nUfLbcjDg/viewanalytics an overwhelming 72.1% voted for making the subreddit private. We listened to the voice of the community, and made the subreddit private. As far as we know, Reddit has not answered all the concerns and demands of /r/Save3rdPartyApps? If we've missed such answers, and you can point us to such those, we'd be more than happy to stand corrected.

With that out of the way, your message makes it sound like you're suggesting that we are breaking the rules by having the subreddit private? We did not think so, but if you insist otherwise, we are willing to work with you to stop and avoid breaking the rules of Reddit. If we are are in violation of some Reddit rules in having the subreddit private, we'd need you to answer these questions as the first step of working together to reopen the subreddit.

First off, we need some clarification to the rules of reddit to avoid breaking them in the future:

1. Does keeping r/Suomi private break the rules of Reddit?

2. If it does, which rule(s) it breaks?

3. If keeping r/Suomi private indefinitely as a protest breaks the rules of Reddit, but only if it's private for too long, how many days is too long? We are willing to consider opening the subreddit immediately after the number of days you give us.

4. If keeping r/Suomi private is allowed if the private community remains active, how many users, posts and comments it needs at minimum to be consider an active community that conforms to the rules of reddit?

In addition to the rule clarifications, we will also need your active help to explain to the community what has happened, since making the community not private again would be going against their wishes:

5. The overwhelming majority (72% of voters) of users of r/Suomi who wanted to have a voice in the matter wanted us to make the subreddit private in protest of Reddit's recent decision. Why does Reddit want the subreddit open against the express wishes of the community? We can't answer this, and the community will be very disappointed if the subreddit is reopened against the wishes of majority of the community. We will need an official quote from from you explaining this.

6. Do you consider that opening r/suomi is important enough that a member of the admin team be would give us a date and a time when they would run an AMA thread in r/suomi to answer any questions or grievances the community members might have about the protest or reopening the subreddit? We can understand if opening r/suomi is that that important, but in either case we will need to tell the community are is reddit willing to listen to the community of r/suomi or not? We would be willing to bend the rules and have the AMA in English if necessary.

After you have answered these six questions, which we don't think is too much to ask, our moderator team will get back to you with a decision on how to reopen the subreddit.

If you have any questions to us, we are also very willing to answer those.

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Kun reddit halusi keskustella corpospiikillä, eli "Our goal here is to work with the existing mod team to find a path forward" tarkoittaa "totelkaa, tai muuten", niin meidänkin vastaus on sitä.

Protestienhan idea ei ole sulkea subeja pysyvästi, vaan ainoastaan niin kauan että reddit kuuntelee käyttäjiään. Jos protestin nykymuoto rikkoo jotain redditin sääntöä, me voidaan muuttaa protesti sellaiseksi joka ei riko sääntöjä.

Tähän saatiin vastaus!

u/ModCodeofConduct • 2 days ago

You are correct in that the subreddit should be made open to users.

Closing off a community entirely from everyone on the internet who may need it now or in the future isn't something that has been allowed for some time on reddit. This is a public resource that is used by many people, often who never comment or engage but still visit to find information.

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u/tieluohan • 2 days ago

Thanks for answering some for some of our questions! I think that answers our questions 1 and 5. Possibly 3 and 4 as well, in case private subreddits are no longer allowed at all.

Would it be possible to get answers for the other questions as well? We are ready to work with you to find a path forward.

Base on the partial answers we received, we'd also have a question 7: if private subreddits are no longer allowed at all, why does reddit offer the option to have private subreddits? Or if private subreddits are allowed in some cases, what are the cases they are allowed or not allowed? The public rules don't seem to be clear about this.

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