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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (14 children)

TLDR you limey bastards built school roofs out of a material that was advertised as with a 30 year life span, and here we are 40 years later and its surprised pikachu faces all around.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

advertised as with a 30 year life span,

It's not clear to me from the article whether it was expected to only last 30 years at the time, or whether it was subsequently revised down in some way.

I mean, my guess is that many building materials may only guarantee some number of years, but it may be the norm for them to last longer. I assume that businesses selling stone do not rate, say, masonry for hundreds of years, though it clearly can last that long.

The article has:

Raac, a lightweight building material, was commonly used in panel-form in public building construction from the 1950s to mid-1990s. It is estimated to have a lifespan of 30 years, and many structures have now passed that age.

EDIT: Yeah. From another article, it sounds like at the time it was built, it was not realized that the material would last only 30 years:

https://news.sky.com/story/the-once-wonder-material-reinforced-aerated-autoclaved-concrete-will-cause-chaotic-start-to-academic-year-12951727

During the post-war building boom of the 1950s, 60s and 70s, reinforced aerated autoclaved concrete (RAAC) was something of a wonder material.

In the 1990s, when the material was still being used, structural engineers discovered that the strength of RAAC wasn't standing the test of time.

The porous, sponge-like concrete - especially when used on roofs - could easily absorb moisture, weakening the material and also corroding steel reinforcement within.

As it weakened, it sagged, leading to water pooling on roofs, exacerbating the problem.

RAAC made in the 1950s was at risk of failure by the 1980s, the report concluded.

About 30 years ago, it became known that the lifespan of RAAC in many public buildings, including hospitals and schools was no greater than 30 years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

And timber frames are only manufacturer rated for 30 years. The Americans have been using them for decades, while in the uk we've only started to accept them recently.

[–] roboticide 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Source for 30 year rating? I'm not aware of such in either Europe or North America. I found a few sites reporting that number but couldn't find an actual authority giving that rating.

Also, there's a difference between a wood (or stick) frame and a timber frame, at least if you're including North America in context. In our terminology, a timber frame has large timber beams and columns supporting the load, and dividing walls are put in between. A stick frame house uses smaller lumber studs, and most of the internal and external walls are supporting the floors or roof above.

American houses are stick frame, and with proper maintenance a stick frame house can last easily over 100 years. Wood doesn't rot if treated and maintained properly. Settling of the foundation is a bigger problem, and simply subject to ground conditions which would impact even a steel frame house.

Timber frame is becoming more popular again for large buildings though, since ~12"/30cm timber columns have pretty good fire ratings, can support 3-4 stories, and are good carbon sinks for more environmentally friendly construction versus concrete or steel. My city is putting up some 3 story timber apartment buildings that look pretty awesome.

Long story short, wood is a great, renewable construction material if you're smart about how you build with it and how you treat it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

30-45 years is what the frame manufacturers would give in guarantees, or expected life. Which is possibly why some mortgage providers class timber frame as non-standard construction.

In terms of actual age, the numbers I found suggest that properly maintained softwood frames can last in excess of 80 years.

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