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if one country did this it's genocide against that country. if a pact of countries agree, it's still genocide against them. and if every government agreed, there are still people's who will not be effected.
every way you slice it, it's genocide. stop trying to figure out how to do genocide the right way.
I'm only suggesting this in an all countries agree environment, otherwise it's pointless. The other countries with the infinite growth mindset will always out compete the ones with population controls in place. And then take those resources by force. And even if they didn't, the atmosphere is shared and there is no way around that.
And genocide against who exactly? Everyone? There is no group being specifically targeted which is a requirement to meet the definition of genocide.
you're still going to have enclaves of resistance, resulting in a genocide of those who comply.
Ok, and there are enclaves of people in support pedophilia and rape and marrying 12 year olds and shit. But when the majority of a population votes in favour of a law against such things, well...fuck em. Sorry. That's democracy and it's the best we got.
I will not support the population control measures I am proposing unless it occurs through democratic agreement.
We already do this for literally all other laws and regulations. Not sure what your issue is.
And I don't suppose you have any meaningful solutions to the climate crisis that can actually be implemented?
how magnanimous of you. as long as 50%+1 of the people favor genocide, you're on board.
i don't like genocide.
Yes. That's democracy. I certainly prefer it to trusting you to be a benevolent dictator. Is there another alternative to decision making I'm not aware of?
i prefer consent and consensus, but i'd also prefer that genocide architects fuck right off, and we see how that goes.
So I an overly simplified world where only 10 people exist. 2 of them support marrying 12 year olds (so...you know, rape). And 8 of them want to ban it.
What do you suggest we do here?
i don't care to engage in your rape fantasies after you went so mask-off about authoritarianism and genocide, thank you.
Copy. You support people being able to marry 12 year olds under the guise of cultural relativism, even despite a majority seeing it for the horror that it is. Whereas I dont. Nothing else to discuss then.
this is as bad faith as it gets.
there's better.
the group who can be reached by governments.
stop trying to figure out how to do genocide the right way and just don't do genocide at all.
If you call this genocide, then by your definition I fully support genocide. I just don't support it by the actual definition.
Population control measures are the most ethical action we can take with the least amount of human suffering resulting from it. Unchecked population growth, destruction of the planet, and ever growing economic/resource inequality is what we already have going on right now. It's the status quo. And it is far far less ethical to support such a system which is creating immense suffering right now. As such, I will not stop trying to figure out how to do something that is inherently positive and ethical.