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An 8-panel Phoebe Teaching Joey meme.
The first panel is Phoebe from Friends saying "Russia".
The second panel is Joey from the same show replying with "Russia".
The third panel is Phoebe saying "has invaded".
The fourth panel is Joey repeating back "has invaded".
The fifth panel is Phoebe saying "Ukraine".
The sixth panel is Joey repeating back "Ukraine".
The seventh panel is Phoebe saying the completed phrase "Russia has invaded Ukraine".
The final panel shows Joey proudly proclaiming "NATO just started a proxy war".
In what way are the states they worship remotely socialist, communist, or anarchist? The means of production are controlled by a small elite who increase their share of control over the means of prodiction by leveraging this control. The only thing that distinguishes the economic stratification of the CCP or the late soviet union from capitalist states is semantic word games.
It's the same thing as a market based oligopoly.
There have been left wing states, and left wing projects within right wing states, but worshipping putin or winnie the pooh ain't it.
I'm here to laugh at ridiculous leftists dunking on ridiculous leftists, not to debate the finer points of tankie theory.
I don't take anyone who self-identifies as a leftist seriously.
You might consider me a neoliberal "frother", though I don't understand the term.
I believe in evidence-based best practice, in both policy and in life.
If you'd like to get into the weeds on this, I'd be happy to, as you seem quite pleasant. Note that I specifically used the term "ridiculous leftists" because I do in fact have friends I think are just wrong, but not ridiculous.
First let's define some terms: I define "leftist" as "communist." That's how they define themselves as well. "Tankies" are a separate breed, in that they specifically idealize the Soviet Union and other authoritarian "communist" states. I am personally of the opinion that the term "socialist" is meaningless in online discourse, as few people mean it the way it was originally used - workers owning companies (which I strongly disagree with, for clarity - though I support things like mandatory profit-sharing)
Not everyone who is left of me is a Communist, though I obviously have disagreements with all of them - but then, I joke with people IRL that "regardless of your political views, if we talk long enough we'll find something I believe that will piss you off so we probably just shouldn't get into it."
As for me, my journey was largely begun through being raised in a staunchly pro-union household and working on various political campaigns (my aunt is a politician). I am very pro-union, very pro-labor, very pro-individual/pro-freedom (we'll circle back on this because this is also a Republican claim) and also very pro-market.
I'm willing to bet (though correct me if I am wrong), that it is my pro-market stance you most likely disagree with (of what is listed). I am pro-market because markets are demonstrably the most efficient way to allocate goods. I support evidence-based policy that has real impacts.
For instance, I am against rent control, because I 100% believe that rent controls, passed in an environment of massive supply shortages of housing, exacerbate the problem by limiting incentives for new housing construction. Data supports this. I also believe that any new housing at any price point increases aggregate supply and lowers pricing (though there are "tipping points" in supply that just be reached). The right way out of the housing crisis is therefore, in my view, to end single-family zoning and disincentivize single-family home ownership through higher taxes.
However, markets have limits to their efficacy, because people like to bend rules in their favor as just a matter of course. The government exists to address these externalities. This is why I support a public health option or even single-payer - I've done the math and such options save both employers and employees money. I also support dramatically increasing the number of residencies allowed, contrary to the AMA, because artificially limiting residencies restricts the supply of doctors. This organization knows this and purposely limits our supply of doctors so they make more money. Our health care system is riddled with such externalities, which single-payer or public options do a lot to address.
Rather than refine the system to address externalities, leftists (as I've defined them) want to burn the system to the ground and start afresh. I believe this will not only result in poorer outcomes, it will also result in a catastrophic and obscene loss of life. It will also implement a system that denies personal autonomy and freedom, as I see it (told you we'd circle back!)
I am a bit of an absolutist radical when it comes to freedom. I believe government can only ethically exist at the consent of the governed - so tankies are right out. I believe in free movement of people, trade as free as is geopolitically feasible, and that capital investment allows potential business owners to make dreams come true that otherwise would not. I accept limits of freedom, because we do live in a society, but I believe we often aim toward the society over the individual's actual best interest. I am deeply morally opposed to vengeance-based systems of justice and am generally a prison abolitionist. For this reason, I have the deeply unpopular belief that the 13th amendment's exception for slavery is a good thing and (paid at minimum wage) compulsory labor is better than prison for most criminals.
This got a bit longer than I intended, but it helps form the mindset from which my views come. Happy to answer any questions or hear your takes.
Edit: I am interested in your thoughts process as well.
I think our principal disagreement comes down to whether or not we believe governments are capable of addressing externalities as they pop up. I believe they can, but I also recognize the frustration born of a system in which roughly half of the country not only doesn't want to address those externalities, they see addressing them as some form of "cultural capitulation."
I'd highly recommend the book "Why We're Polarized" as it delves heavily into that concept, but ultimately what we care about are solutions, not it's origin, and I agree those solutions are difficult to conceptualize in any short term timeframe.
I would dispute that the US is an oligarchy, or even that certain wealthy groups have as dramatic and impact on government as is "known" by the internet writ large. My experience as a lobbyist and campaign worker, as well as my experience with Fortune 5-100 companies, strongly disagrees with that notion
Rather, I'd argue that we are crippled by intense tribalism within relatively small demographic areas, which is what makes this such a tough nut to crack. For instance, the "military industrial complex" doesn't so much buy representatives as those representatives represent constituencies that exist in town/cities where the MIC has monopsony (primary hiring ability) and thus vote in lockstep with increasing budgets because it means more jobs.
Americans, almost definitionally, are uncomfortable with the idea of being inconvenienced for long-term gain, which i see as a significant hurdle. This is a bit personal to me, as I am clearly pro-government existing, and my town straight up disincorporated over a <$20/year tax increase per household, where the money was slated to go toward schools.
Fortunately, we're still in that school district and they eventually secured funding, but my town is now missing growth opportunities and essential services as a result.
Like I said, tough nuts to crack.
You're really just making right wing reactionaries look even stupider. So I guess you fit in.
I do also enjoy making right wing reactionaries look dumb