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On federation and fragmentation (kbin.social)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I’ve seen a number of posts stating that they are worried that multiple instances will have overlapping magazines, like “Technology“. It’s true this will happen. But I don’t think it is a problem.

One thing I’ve learned from Mastodon, and I think it will apply to kbin as well, is that you don’t need to post for EVERYBODY on the internet. At some point, there’s a number — 1000 people, 10,000 people, or 100,000 people — where there are enough users where you can have an effective community and a nice conversation, without being so big that everything goes to sh*t.

In real life, we don’t expect to know everybody. We interact with people close to us. Maybe, this is fine in a federated community as well.

And, of course, there is still the chance that post will get really popular and percolate through the fediverse, for example, into the multiple “Technology” magazines.

In sum, I think the fediverse model will build multiple, interlinked, smaller but sustainable communities. If all you want is “reach”, it won’t be for you. But I think it will be good if you want community.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

People are really impatient. The platform is still full of bugs and problems, moderation tools are lacklustre, and the list goes on. A number of users are already shooting from the hip, asking for defederations etc, instead of giving the system time to settle down right after an influx spike, with more to come (when 3rd party Reddit mobile apps stop working; when old.reddit and RES go poof, and so on). Just sit back, customize the experience to the degree you can control it yourself, and watch it grow and get into shape.

[–] odseey 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was going to say the same thing, what we are experiencing right now isn't organic growth, it is an exodus, I think it is inevitable that instances will disagree at one point or another and decide to defederate but making these decisions now feels like jumping the gun.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I can see why people would want to defederate from some places, but if the platform gives us, the users, tools to deal with it ourselves (ie. blocking complete instances, right now it's only users and communities), this problem will solve itself. The same goes for the double and triple communities, split over the instances. Some very popular topics from Beehaw disappeared overnight for my lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works accounts. If we get aggregator tools to help us group communities like the multi-sub tool in Reddit, for example, the whole social construct will gain a lot of stability. But this is taking time. The people coding all this stuff probably have day jobs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Especially since most of the platform is still fresh out of the box. It doesn't even have a mobile app yet (Lemmy does, but it is a heavy work in progress, like Lemmy itself), but that it works well enough, and didn't all implode immediately under all the Reddit traffic is a minor miracle.