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I assume you support the current and recent direction of Israeli politics; as you look into the future, how do you see this playing out, as the USA empire continues to fade in power? When does some sort of social equilibrium return to the region, and what has happened before it does?
But I'm also confused by a few of your statements.
" in a democratic state, the world will decide "
In a democratic state, the citizens of that state decide things. And again, you seem to be a democratic state at the moment. The world will have opinions - and boy, does the world have opinions about Israel right now. The christian right has traditionally used you as a weird combination tolerance prop/prophecy tool but lately their nazi side is just bursting forward so they're falling back on the old bigotries and frankly, I doubt the USA is gonna have your back much longer no matter who gets in on what timeline.
"The gaza strip [voted] for Hamas[.] Perhaps they were not true democratic elections"
Perhaps yours aren't either. Perhaps ours aren't. Who's to say? Well, other than international rights organizations whose job is to investigate that sort of thing. I wonder what they've got to say about you guys. But them voting Hamas doesn't seem any different than you voting Netanyahu, from my perspective. You've both settled into a pattern of trenchant mutual vendetta at this point and that's a real bastard of a situation to get out of. Not that you seem particularly interested in getting out of it.
My country's genocide record is already rich and deep so none of what I'm saying is coming from a place of feeling superior; white euros like myself are a pretty nasty bunch. Just because we've got some distance from it doesn't mean the world doesn't remember, or see it clearly for what it is, from outside the bunker of war and propaganda.
They'll remember you too.