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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Overall, a pretty good episode! I am slightly conflicted - I really like the character development of this Spock, but it's also less and less feeling like the Spock we'll eventually see in TOS. As the Klingon captain said, 'the least Vulcan like Vulcan ever' - whereas Spock in TOS is trying to suppress his human side and it takes him till like Star Trek VI to actually act on a hunch. But I am also conflicted as I really like this character too.

The stealing the Enterprise scene, I think Search for Spock is laughing... The CGI of the Enterprise manuvering away from space dock and escaping to warp was amazing though - one of the best uses of 3D space in Star Trek ever but pausing for like 5 minutes whilst stealing a ship to decide what his 'line' is going to be... I wish the new series would stop their pre-ocupation with this, it's kind of famous because Picard uses Engage and Make It So enough to be memeable, but most of the time people from Kirk to Janeway to Sisko also use Engage. (Kirk also frequently uses warp speed Mr sulu, and ahead warp factor 1, take her out, first star to the left and straight on till morning.) And so every captain doesn't have their thing. Pike's 'hit it' is ok, but 'Let's Fly' is kinda dumb and 'I want to go, now' is out of character and just a really unnecessary part of the story. It's also not going to be memeable when it's forced.

I really didn't like the scene where M'Benga and Chapel use some kind of drug to give them super strength to fight off a whole ship of Klingons and then the torture scene? Star Trek should be cleverer than that and made me lose respect for both of the characters. At least the Klingons look like Klingons again.

I like the new chief engineer a lot more than I thought I was going too though!

Star Trek has always been kind of lax when officers disobeying orders save the day, but I thought the admiral should have been angrier and I really hope there's a scene in episode 2 where Pike and Spock talk about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I suspect we'll see Spock go so far in the other direction over this series, to try to compensate, that it puts him back where TOS starts.

Yeah the 'line' stuff.. ugh. But hopefully he'll get a second chance and do better :D this was only his first day of his 3 day command! lol

My watch partners also thought that the super serum drug was a bit out there, but I think it was expressed well with M'Benga's trauma from the Klingon war, my guess is that he "always" carries that around because he was always under threat of being attacked on whatever moon it was he was stationed on, and sometimes had to use it. Old habits die hard, especially if you're going into action with the people you were at war with.

It's not like they had time to work out a diplomatic solution in this case. And likely they wouldn't have been able to. Pass off the diplomatic resolution to later in the plot, for Spock, the future master diplomat.

I imagine Pelia is going to be a gem of a character. I hope she gets more time, too.

Admirals tend to relax when it turns out that the actions the officers took were the correct path.

Also, the Klingons looked much more Discovery like than TOS like, but with the dark skin tone and hair from TNG.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not necessarily suggesting that they'd need to use diplomacy, but they could have somehow captured phasers or it turns out that Chapel was with Pike on Discovery (as at least the saucer of this ship was Crossfield class) and she knew where the Jeffries tubes were to get them where they needed to be. They could have told one of the Klingons that they'd had a medical emergency reported in the transporter room and they needed to get there fast. If they were playing the trauma from the Klingon war angle, I think all of the references are really too abstract for us as an audience to get that and I don't think the scene was quite good enough to give us a mystique.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There was so much blood in the air, it rained red. hmm.

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