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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They really got no vote: no elections, no opposition political parties, no way to leave the country if you want, huge oligarchy, a lot of corruption, huge debt…

Did you ignore the part where I said they voted for a politician who said he would strengthen ties to the West? Then did the opposite? Then the people took to the streets until he fled the country?

I’m clamouring to leave, and many people as well.

To leave your country, or to have your country leave NATO/EU/western alliances/etc? I'm sure you could try and convince people in your country to leave NATO, but NATO support is generally at a long-time high right now.

You talk like Ukraine was unified place, like western and southern Ukraine were the same. Did Crimea choose the West? Did Donbass?

It's an imagined community for sure. If you think consent can only be granted if it's by every individual rather than a collective in a democratic vote, then sure. I think most people think democratic votes are the best expression of the people's will. It's hardly perfect, but certainly better than a self-appointed vanguard.