this post was submitted on 11 Aug 2023
1289 points (97.5% liked)

World News

39368 readers
2229 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Fun fact: All this probably happened because we stopped to geoengineer by outlawing ships blowing sulphur into the air which created additional cloud cover. That is, this year isn't really exceptional climate-change wise, it's just that we could witness, by fortuitous natural experiment, how much worse it actually already is... as well as that we can limit the impact by geoengineering. It works, and without wrecking havoc on the overall system.

And the good news is that we don't need to blow sulphur into the air to generate clouds, the same effect can be had by blowing salt water into the air, just strap a couple of water cannons to every cargo ship. No I'm dead serious.

[–] doomer 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

All this probably happened because we stopped to geoengineer by outlawing ships blowing sulphur into the air which created additional cloud cover.

You have your causality running backwards... this was already here, and the sulfur was masking it. This happened because we put so many GHG in the air.

It works, and without wrecking havoc on the overall system.

Europe is the one that initiated the sulfur reductions. With the additional dimming data now available, they reviewed it to determine how much damage had been caused. The conclusion? The benefits of reducing sulfur actually outweigh the damage of unmasked warming. The plan for further reductions was upheld.

If we mask radiative forcing, we don't want to be doing it with sulfur. That leads to acid rain, ocean acidification, and asthma and other diseases. CaCO3 is a candidate. The long-term consequences of any candidate is unknown. Except that we know that the less sulfur raining down on us and the fish in general, the better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You have your causality running backwards… this was already here, and the sulfur was masking it.

Which is what I said?

[–] SuddenDownpour 2 points 1 year ago

It was probably framing it like

Fun fact: All this probably happened because we stopped to geoengineer by outlawing ships blowing sulphur into the air which created additional cloud cover.

Instead of something like “we noticed the effects of climate change exceptionally this year because we stopped blowing sulphur (…)”. Yes, this is probably pedantic in a room where everyone understands anthropocentric climate change. Still, I can understand why some people might want to be extremely clear with how we use language regarding this topic, given… Everything that’s going on.

[–] schroedingershat 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except that wasn't the only effect driving even the short term warming spike, masking the problem isn't fixing it, and the global north has an absolutely stellar track record of not giving a single fuck about the negative consequences of large scale engineering projects on the global south.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71jlEyIc1Pk for some commentary with nuance.

[–] Shialac 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, conservatives literally need to be burning alive to acknowledge there is something going on with the temperatures/climaze

[–] TwoGems 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No actually they'll burn alive, die on ventilators, and enjoy dying just to prove a non-existent point.

[–] dragonflyteaparty 4 points 1 year ago

Covid taught us that.

[–] schroedingershat 2 points 1 year ago

I like your climate bio-engineering project idea, but I don't think it needs to be that large scale. For the 2000 or so conservatives actually in control of the talking points, that's what, about 200 tonnes of CO2 emissions? Maybe need some extra fuel so call it 1000. Seems like a worthwhile tradeoff.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kage520 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for this info. Really enjoyed learning something hopeful

[–] CobblerScholar 4 points 1 year ago

Thank You Hank Green, that man is a treasure