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It really does. That is one upshot of anarchism for sure, it provides a framework for individual liberty that right-libertarianism kind of falls flat on by allowing corporate power to influence individuals as a stand-in for a state. Marxism also doesn't scratch that itch, you have to buy in to the need for a balance between the rights of the individual and the rights of the collective (which then come back around and benefit the individual, if all things go according to plan)
I also find a lot of Marxism to be agreeable. I've read a bit of Marx, the principles of communism by Engles, I'm about half way through Imperialism by Lenin. I've done some reading on life in the USSR, the Chinese revolution, as well as Allende and project cybersyn. There's some great concepts laid out and good arguments as well. Where Marxism/ML/MLM kind of lose me is social liberties. I'm coming from the perspective of "my rights end where yours begin". We all ultimately make concessions to our freedom in order to peacefully live in a society. I feel a governments only duty to social issues is to intervene when a groups rights are being violated and to not interfere otherwise. There's some nuance to that obviously but speaking generally I feel it's a good rule to go by
I see a lot of praise for China and modern day Russia from Marxists spaces online. And while I'm able to admit I'm not the most informed on life in either of these countries, China particularly because its pretty difficult to find reliable info on the social climate there. Things like the Uyghur concentration camps, LGBT rights, racism, and general discrimination along social lines seems pretty common and largely accepted. I get it's kind of the pot calling the kettle black on these things coming from the US, but I'd think a socialist government would be better equipped and much more willing to tackle these problems. Support for modern Russia just straight up doesn't make sense to me. They're a capitalist society, rife with inequities and corruption like every other capitalist state. I see no reason to support them. The amount of support for them leaves a sour taste in my mouth. As I continue to learn that may change but it's hard reconciling what I read with what I see
@BarrelAgedBoredom @purahna Those on the left supporting post-soviet Russia tend to fall into two camps, I've noticed:
Nostalgic tankies who love seeing old Soviet military gear parading through central Moscow, and just want the USSR back (I get it but it's a terrie basis on which to stake out a political stance)
Edgelord "brocialists" trying to play the intellectual with the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" card. Probably uses words like "degenerate" and "kulak" and is on their way to being a straight up fascist, but are too far up their own arse to notice.
This is a big thing that turned me off lemmygrad and expanded my political horizon (I was rather hardcore MLM). The more I've read and interacted in different groups, the more I've realised my inherent stance is anti-authoritarian and seek a collectivist way of life.