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A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War (jacobin.com)

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you mean?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, and in return Ukraine gave up their nuclear deterrent.

The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,[3] prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Are you going to argue that Russia is acting in self defense?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Budapest Memorandum was violated and therefore nullified before 2014. It literally says that in your wikipedia article

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

On 4 March the Russian president Vladimir Putin replied to a question on the violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the current Ukrainian situation as a revolution: "a new state arises, but with this state and in respect to this state, we have not signed any obligatory documents".[32] Russia stated that it had never been under obligation to "force any part of Ukraine's civilian population to stay in Ukraine against its will". Russia suggested that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and described the Euromaidan as a US-instigated coup.

That's your level of proof, because Putin said so?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Where does it says so? Can you point to that specific section of the text? I've just checked and must have missed it, it wasn't there.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are you going to argue that Russia is acting in self defense?

It seems like both regimes violated their treaties: Kiev Violates Minsk Agreement Causing Fighting To Resume In Ukraine. There was also an oral treaty that talked about eastern expansion of NATO (which some call "a terrorist organization"), but it wasn't written, as far as I know. The USA also acted in "self-defense" against many countries, nearly 400 according to Wikipedia.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Oral treaty", oral international treaty.... now that sounds like a heavily manipulative level of naivety.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's the Russian narrative

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Whataboutism. Internal conflicts are internal matters for sovereign nations.

There was no oral treaty. Russia never asked for anything to be enshrined in an agreement. Don't ask, don't get.

And anyone is free to join NATO, Russia tried to after all.

https://www.military.com/history/russia-once-tried-join-nato-alliance-formed-counter-threats-russia.html

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, why does Russia not have loads of troops near the border with Finland?

Surely, if NATO is such a threat. Why?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I don't know you, but I'm being forced to pay more taxes and the inflation caused by the economic sanctions to support this puppet regime that bans all opposition, forces people to die on the battlefield and doesn't let people leave the country.