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Even if you think what you would say is obvious, please add. This is genuinely something I think makes sense regarding local bus routes given the longevity of light rail and how infrequently routes change, but I also suffer from confirmation bias, so I'm hoping for reasons this would be a terrible idea but obviously would prefer reasons it would be an even more amazing idea than I thought.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It depends on the type of light rail.

Here in my city the trams share some of the roads with regular traffic, which not only means they can get caught in traffic (though they have priority where possible), but it also means the rails become a real tripping hazard for cyclists (over 800 injuries since 2015 at the last count). There's been an active campaign to introduce more safety measures but the council has been reluctant to do anything about it.

The tramlines are such a well-known hazard to locals that they actually put people off from cycling, which is surely counter-productive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Light rail transit has its own right of way. Sharing the road means it's a tram/streetcar.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, technically a tram at that point, though the system has sections of dedicated rights of way too, and has recently been expanded onto some old traditional rail lines in a tram/train hybrid system.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are these the indented rails? Those will throw you off your bike instantly... Cycling lanes AND tramlines can coexist, but I guess the problem here is when you want to take a turn and the rails are in the middle of the road, so you're forced to just go over them? I guess they could implement some kind of underpass for cyclists and pedestrians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Having wider tyres ~2"/50mm or so pretty much eliminates the risk (and gives a comfy ride). If you really like the speed of narrow tyres, it's really quite safe with the right technique -- crossing tracks at an angle to avoid mishaps (I find 30° is sufficient, 90° is never a problem), and when they're slippery, treating them like ice. It becomes second nature soon enough.

I think there are some rubber/elasromer inserts which have been developed which also eliminate the groove -- it presents a flat surface to bikes, yet squishes down for the tram wheel flange under the immense weight.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You're looking at mountain bikes or the sturdier gravel bikes to fit 2" tyres. Your average commuter bike likely won't have rhe clearance. And yes, even tiny 23mm road racer tyres can cross tramlines with the right technique, but the requirement of a proper technique is still a barrier to entry.

We've been calling for those rubber inserts, but so far to no avail.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sheffield. Though I imagine most modern UK tram systems are in a similar situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Dammit, you caused my omnipotence to fail! 😭