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For me it was Lisa Goes Gaga. It was focused entirely on Lady Gaga who played herself and was awkwardly inserted, I don't mind the occasional brief celebrity appearance or when they lend their voice to other characters (ex. Meryl Streep playing Jessica Lovejoy in Bart's Girlfriend) but they started to feel so forced. I tried watching the occasional episode afterwards but people like JJ Abrams would show up in Do PizzaBots Dream of Electric Guitars? and I'd lose interest.

I have started watching the show again but I am curious who else has lost interest due to an episode or trend especially those who have been watching the show since its beginning.

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[–] Windex007 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The "trend" (if you even want to call it that) is just when they lost the bulk of thier original writing staff around season 11 or so.

It played out for me similarly to GoT after they ran out of source material. They could kinda limp by for a little bit by extrapolating from what they had, but they just eventually lost the thread completely. They forgot who the characters were for long enough that the bastardized versions of themselves eventually become cannon as the series wears on.

[–] Glitchington 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The term Flanderization exists because of Ned Flanders. The Simpsons literally ran so long it's characters became caricatures of themselves.

[–] Windex007 2 points 1 year ago

That's a really cromulent point!

I think this doesn't need to be inevitable, though. I think it's again a result of writer turnover. There were original people with a relatively cohesive vision they could write towards, maintaining a consistency against an imagined character with traits that maybe were never explicitly described (yet).

As the torch is passed from writer to writer, team to team, some of the "hidden values" that the characters behaviours orbiteded around get lost. New teams need to invent their own based on an imperfect view. It becomes a fax or a fax of a fax.

So... Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but I suspect that writer consistency can stave off Flanderization.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get what you mean. I feel like there was a sharp increase in how zany the show was and a decrease in story lines involving the typical reoccurring characters.

[–] Windex007 2 points 1 year ago

IIRC after the writers left they applied an algorithm to measure ratings against character involvement, and Bart and Homer were the standouts, and so there was top down pressure to limit episodes that didn't revolve around Bart and Homer.

I admit that they already were the primary subjects of most episodes before that, but it became even more pronounced later on.