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I still don't really understand what your dissatisfied with. You said something about people downvoting too much? Say you see someone who is downvoting in a way you don't like. What is your recourse? Why do you want that information?
If I see someone downvoting all my thread or post, I'll block them. Anonymity is not always bringing the best out of people.
People are allowed to disagree with things, although I understand if someone is just spamming the entirety of a thread with downvotes for no appreciable reason.
I'm in agreement with @eatmoregreenfood, that displaying your votes should be opt in, if available on the front end at all.
On a social basis, I don't think it matters; Whilst it would be preferable that someone explains why they disagree with something (assuming it is actually a disagreement, and not just malicious), I don't think anyone should be fearful of downvoting because the OP might call them out on it and expect them to explain, or forever see nothing from that user again. Disagreement isn't inherently negative.
I'm sorry but we talked about silly things being posted in an other thread, we exchanged our point of view and at the end, you literally downvoted all of my silly intervention in the thread. so you do you but that is exactly this kind of behaviour I'm not looking forward here.
you could also argue that it would be a shame that anyone feels fearful to post because of people downvoting whatever it not pleasing them.
for me downvoting is a strong statement, not to be taken lightly. it can be part of building an very unwelcoming environment and also shaping the discours of users in only one direction.
please let's try to take what's the best of the fediverse here as well, be kind with each other if not excellent.
Myself, and a handful of users by the looks of it, disagreed with the content of some of your posts, or thought it wasn't relevant / contributing to the discussion. I certainly didn't downvote the entirety of your contribution to that thread, and I don't intend for you to think it's a personal attack.
If you'd like to have a discourse on why I downvoted 4 of your comments, I, like many others aren't looking for the 'redditification' of another site, regardless of how similar the premise might be, and that's what I felt those comments were promoting, particularly 'gesundheit'. I understand wanting things to be 'just as good as they were', etc., but this is new, things can be better, and I personally don't want to see the site become reddit 2.0 just because there's been a big influx of users after the blackout started. You're entitled to want kbin.social to become something else, of course, and that's arguably what the voting system is there for.
you shouldn't assume that much about my intention tho. and I rather talk to you and argue that being told to "shut if up", even tho you didn't say it, it's how a downvote feels.
I certainly don't want kbin to be a reddit 2.0. but id like people to feel free to express themself in all matter, not only being serious. We don't have to agree about that, it's ok. But one thing that I really wish would stay on reddit is this downvote culture.
Are downvotes not a way in which people freely express themselves?
of course. but it's not mandatory to use them lightly.
for me it's a really powerful statement.
Unfortunately, that's not really the common thinking. It was the most commonly ignored piece of reddiquette.
so let's change that! 🤗
For me it's rather trivial. It just means "I like that" or "I don't like that." It's an easy way if someone says something dumb or wrong for everyone to see that what they said was really unpopular. I think blocking is a far less trivial and shouldn't be bandied about so easily. Commenting in response can be adding to the discussion, or it can just be a super downvote where you explain exactly how wrong they are. You're entitled to your opinion and I won't block you for having a different one than mine, but I will downvote when I disagree.
you do you, but I'm reluctant of building a community where the majority decide what's popular or unpopular with such behaviour. I'm more inclined to design and act for inclusivity.
this is exactly what I wish we don't bring from reddit.
The only way to modify the design to fit that philosophy would be to make it very tedious to downvote something. "Are you sure" popups and multi-step. That way when people dislike it... they really dislike it.
you'll have to translate 15 strings of kbin.pub? 😉 https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/2428/kbin-Translations
I understand what you're saying, but at the time, would you have rather I replied to each of the comments with 'I disagree', 'I don't like this', etc? That's just opening things up for unnecessary arguments that end up taking over a whole thread, which is sort of what's happening now.
well taking up the whole thread is not an issue or is it? I quite enjoy talking with you to be honnest.
but your right, I understand that you don't want to reply to all my silly post. but I'm my book, you could have just ignored them and do nothing.
that's what I do when I see something that I don't agree with or don't like. either reply or ignore. I'll downvote only at the last recourse.
but I understand that we don't share the same value as what downvoting mean, and I'm ok with that. I just wish that this place will be build on the fediverse values from now on.
If the thread is relevant to the topic at hand, then no, and I think this is relevant.
I could have, but I chose to downvote a handful of comments that I didn't think were adding anything to the discussion, and I felt could have been seen on any top 100 reddit thread.
I'm ok with that as well, and I appreciate that we can have a civil discussion about it. Like I've already said, it wasn't a personal attack or me saying "shut up". If I wanted to do that, I'd have commented that, and likely been deservedly downvoted into oblivion, because that's just not productive.
Edit; My first reply sounds a bit authoritarian, I think, and that's not what I want to convey- I'm not saying there can't be discussions that slowly veer off the topic of the post, but at the same time, if you're clicking into post comments, you don't want the first thing you see to be a 50 comment chain that winds up in a heated name calling argument, or two people just talking about PS1 emulators on your @knitting post, especially when there's no way to collapse comments currently (officially).
not answering directly to your post, just having a reflection about the state of things: if you check the thread we are in you can see that I'm almost always downvoted and you are always upvoted. just scroll back from here.
this is exactly the issue with this downvote culture inherited from reddit. the promotion of a single point of view and the exclusion of anyone trying to express something different from the constructed culture.
I'm all about deconstructing this.
This is the point that needs to be conveyed. Not every comment requires a full engagement of conversation. A quick up/down vote to show agreement is all that's needed and we shouldn't require unnecessary fluff.
Additionally, having a log of people's liked comments sounds like an incredible source of abuse for people scraping user data...
up vote and down vote is not mandatory.
And your post is currently up to 17 downvotes. Seems like people pretty much proved the point you were making. I think that is kinda sad, but not entirely unpredictable. I'm still new here. I used reddit, sometimes I really liked it. But it wasn't perfect. I see this as a chance to improve. If we want to. I agree with what you said, I don't very often downvote. We will see what happens.
yes it's pretty ironic.