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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's your source for the US killing hundreds of thousands of civilians? Seems way too high unless you're including indirect deaths, like from loss of critical infrastructure.

[–] PanchoAventuras 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fair enough:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

(Check the surveys in the article for details, ranges from low 100.000 to highs of a million+)

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/figures/2021/WarDeathToll

(This one is a bit lower at 200-250.000 for Iraq and Afghanistan)

Bear in mind that I’m not in any way justifying Russia’s attitude, my reference to these number was more to illustrate the fact that we’re holding Ukraine to higher standards than anyone else, even if agree with those standards. And Ukraine is delivering, which is impressive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you. Even all these years later it's confusing and uncertain.

Per Brown, 200-250k number total civilian deaths from violence in Afghanistan and Iraq. According to Lancet 31% of deaths due to violence were due to coalition forces, in Iraq. So, about 67k total in both wars if these numbers are combined. But with a huge number of violent deaths unexplained, maybe coalition forces directly killed over 100k total. Including indirect deaths it's probably accurate to say "hundreds of thousands"

Shame on the US for invading Iraq, and shame on Russia for invading Ukraine.