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[–] CaptainEffort 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Either they agree or they don’t

That’s not at all what I’m saying. I’m actually saying the opposite. Whether anyone agrees with anyone else is entirely irrelevant to my point.

I’m saying that people are allowed to say whatever they want, and that them being allowed to do so doesn’t mean that what they’re saying is actually acceptable.

For example, someone can go on Twitter and have a full blown racist rant. They’re allowed to do that. But that doesn’t mean that what they did is acceptable.

You’re saying that if something is allowed, it must be acceptable. That it being allowed in the first place somehow implies an endorsement of the behavior. That’s pretty much the definition of black and white thinking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it were unacceptable behaviour, it wouldn't be allowed.

[–] CaptainEffort 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes it would be. That’s how free speech works. If you think blatantly racist rants are generally accepted, you’re delusional.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CaptainEffort 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because things aren’t so black and white. Something not being acceptable doesn’t always mean it should straight up be outlawed. That’s not how the world works. People do socially unacceptable shit all the time and aren’t violating any laws by doing them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're conflating law and morality.

[–] CaptainEffort 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s literally what you’re doing by saying that anything unacceptable shouldn’t be allowed. Just because something is acceptable, that doesn’t mean it isn’t allowed. Because laws and morality aren’t always a perfect 1:1.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I never mentioned laws. You did. Laws are irrelevant to this discussion. Precisely because laws and morality are not the same thing. We're talking about rules of conduct on a platform.

[–] CaptainEffort 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I’m saying that something being allowed doesn’t make it accepted. Unless… you think racist rants on Twitter are acceptable? After all, they’re allowed.

So either you think racist rants are acceptable, or you acknowledge that something being allowed doesn’t magically make everyone okay with it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you think racist rants on Twitter are acceptable?

Thid is a weird strategy for you to take. Maybe you thought i forgot what I said. No, of course i don't think they're acceptable.

Twitter seems to think they are, though.

something being allowed doesn’t magically make everyone okay with it.

Lmao. Never said it did. When i said acceptable, did you really think i meant to everyone?

[–] CaptainEffort 1 points 1 year ago

did you really think I meant to everyone?

Well, yeah. This is what happens when you use such broad vague statements like, “if it’s allowed then it’s acceptable”. Anyone could interpret that as meaning “acceptable” to the general public.

But okay, fine. So something being allowed means that it’s acceptable to the ones making the rules? Alright, let’s analyze that a bit then.

I’m going back to laws because you seem to have missed the point of why I brought them up in the first place. If Twitter’s rules determine what’s allowed on their site, then laws determine what’s allowed irl. And by your logic, they then must determine what’s acceptable.

Now, you’re allowed to talk racist shit in public. Does that mean that every lawmaker alive rn finds that acceptable?

You’re allowed to smoke weed in quite a few states now. Is every lawmaker guaranteed to be on board because it’s allowed now?

You can smoke cigarettes outdoors and in smoking areas. That’s perfectly allowed. You think every individual lawmaker finds smoking acceptable?

Things aren’t so binary. Even those that make the rules, whether that be for an individual website or an entire country, aren’t necessarily going to find what’s allowed to be acceptable to them.

But something being unacceptable doesn’t mean something should be disallowed.