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Isn't the USA supplying cluster bombs to Ukraine?
Yeah but it is not suitable for rage inducing title, so they choose China instead.
The double standards and american exceptionalism of the people that post CNN/WaPo/NYT news articles on foreign events...
Russia is the aggressor and the US stands with Ukraine and helps them.
China pretends to be ‘neutral’ in a war so glaringly having a country violate the sovereignty of Ukraine but then secretly support the aggressor.
What is so difficult to understand? Or do you purposefully try to muddy the waters by invoking “whatabout…?” and see if the countries supporting Ukraine could be slandered?
This war could not be more clear in who is the aggressor and who try to help the violated. The fact you feel the need to point in all directions and try to steer attention away from where we should be paying attention to is in itself a despicable act, only the logical conclusion I am left with is that you somehow feel aligned with russia and it’s war path against others. You created a moral outrage where other should feel bad but the only thing you have truly done is put a stain on your character. Pathetic and shameful to be basically rooting for russia at this point.
Ofc it could be clearer. For example: The US invasion of Iraq was a an actually unprovoked invasion
You're just late at learning about a border conflict at a time of horrible escalation and don't have anything but imperialist propagandaof a meddling party to draw conclusions from.
And no I don't have the emotional energy to spare to discuss it here I just want to signal much needed dissent to people stumbling over this thread
You prohibiting current actions because of . This attitude might seem nobel or informed but whatabout is your true argument and it gets you nowhere.
The fact you sow doubt on the invasion of Ukraine as ‘perhaps russia had a point to start killing civilians’ is despicable and tells me you are a russian puppet or bad faith actor, just to muddy the waters.
Imagine being against unjust invasions (and there is a point to be made for that) but when clear and present danger presents itself you use unjust invasions to justify the war of aggression perpetuated by russia. The irony probably slips right by you. Well, it would if your mindset is to ‘level’ all events as ‘the same’. Pathetic and dubious at best.
US is a murderous invader that has invaded Iraq, Afganistan in my lifetime and continues to bomb many places on earth.
Who will support victims of American agression?
Regardless of discussion, you whitewash the rusian terrorist war and support by china by saying “others did bad, ok to kill people now in ukraine”.
You are OK with war, what are you complaining about?
My complaint is that Americans are hypocrites doing the same. You whitewash your governments terrorist wars.
There you go again.
Start a thread and discuss hypocrisy in the world.
This is about china supporting russia who started a war and is mass killing people. And you use it to start whitewashing that by doing “whatabout!”
Bank is robbed. Gangsters get away. Another bank is robbed. You argue the gangsters need to roam free because the other gangsters got away. Not only that, you want to hide bank robbery #2 because you know you are friends were the gangsters that did it!
Hypocrisy. I don’t believe you understand that word at all.
Will there ever be a time when America's terrorist wars are discussed? Or will you continue not to talk about America's murders?
When can we expect George W Bush, Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice to be convinced of mass-murder?
You.start.a.thread.and.discuss.
What is so hard to understand? Take control over your desire to accuse, condemn, discuss, etc.
Instead of looking to others and wonder why the basterds across the isle did not start when you yourself sit by idle.
And yes, GE, Cheney, Rice : that whole cabinet should be brought to The Hague and prosecuted, 100%
What I will not do is entertain your topic changing and whataboutism.
whataboutism is the correct and healthy response to hypocrites.
This is nothing less than an admission of your idiocy. You do you.
That's a lot of talking for someone who wants to use clusterbombs...
How is saying that close military allies are supporting each other ‘AmErIcAn ExCePtIoNaLiSm’?
Fuck off back to lemmygrad.
He is on lemmygrad, that's how federation works.
If you want to be in a neoliberal echo chamber, you should move to beehaw. Or back to reddit.
Maybe you’re too stupid to understand, but just because you don’t have to make another account to participate in different instances doesn’t mean anyone cares about your despot-worshiping bullshit outside of your home instance.
Pretty weird to talk about echo chambers when someone's calling out zero value circlejerk comments.
Yep, and that’s a good thing.
American cluster bombs are still killing children in Laos. They're a stupid weapon.
Russia invaded Laos?!
Russia is already using them
I’ll defer to the defenders WRT what weapons they need.
Russia is not using them. Only Ukraine has been.
So you're okay with them using chemical weapons, petal mines (which they have), bioweapons... just anything goes, right? The people of Crimea and Donbas are "defenders", can they do anything too?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/08/25/growing-civilian-toll-russian-cluster-munition-attacks
Chemical weapons: no, due to their effects easily leaving the AOR. Petal mines: yes. Crimea and the Donbas are occupied Ukrainian territory.
It is well documented, by Human Rights Watch and others, that **the Ukrainian military **has used cluster munitions. There is nothing to support a claim that Russia has done so. The Pentagon has rejected the earlier claimed evidence of Russian cluster munition attacks:
Get some consistency man, you're all over the place.
It may surprise you to know that in a thread where I advocate for the US giving Ukraine cluster munitions, that I don’t care that Ukraine has been using cluster munitions.
As stated by another, your Pentagon source is out of date. It’s pretty funny though that you reject HRW saying Russia is using them, but use HRW as your source that Ukraine is.
WRT chemical weapons: different things are different. When you can contain things in an AOR, I’m less concerned about the lingering effects. Areas can be closed off and cleared, especially when you’re the one that dropped them. That’s way less possible with chemical weapons, that will literally drift with the wind.
No, nothing surprises me with hopelessly brainwashed supporters of fascist Ukraine. You don't care because you have no consistent moral principles. On the one hand you pretend to care about chemical weapons affecting the wrong people and on the other you don't care because your "side" is using them. You can't even offer a plausible excuse.
Not funny when you know that HRW is an arm of US propaganda., so when it says something negative about a US ally, you can take them seriously, because they couldn't deny it and had to admit it to try to appear to be impartial.