The point is not to put nukes there, the point is to threaten Russia to provoke a war. It worked. Why expand NATO at all? The USSR doesn't exist anymore, it should have been dismantled.

Slogans can have different meanings depending on context.

Nazi slogans are Nazi slogans regardless of context. If you start chanting "Sieg Heil"do you really think the excuse that you haven't invaded anywhere is going to wash? Besides, Ukraine invaded the breakaway republics and killed thousands, including civilians while chanting these Nazi slogans.

Putin did break the treaty he invaded the boarders of Ukraine. You can’t illegally invade a country then have an illegal vote to declare a breakaway regions under an military occupation.

Stalin defeated the Nazis then proceeded to kill millions of people

Stalin was by no means perfect but this millions of people crap is just ahistorical yank propaganda that you've been brainwashed with.

[–] GrimChaos 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So name a law BEFORE the invasion (2014)... Remember you are trying to justify the illegal invasion. It looks like the stuff you list was in response to the invasion.

Let me think... Why would countries want to join NATO. could it be Moldova, Georgia, Abkhazia... Seems like there is a need. Seems like Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR.

Okay, the Soviets used Nazi slogans, got it

Wow, Stalin not that bad? He's not as bad as Hitler but still close. Stalin was just over a longer span of time. To the point the Soviet union even tried to De-Stalinization the Soviet union. My parents grew up under Soviet oppression and it was not a good time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Name a law before the Nazi coup overthrew Ukraine and started the ethnic cleansing. Well done, you've managed to move the goalposts so far that nothing makes sense anymore. Russia was invited into the independent Autonomous Republic of Crimea by its leadership in order to protect it from the Nazis after the American coup.

Let me think… Why would countries want to join NATO.

The vast majority of actual citizens of countries all over Europe are opposed to America's war in Ukraine, as opposed to their American influenced leadership.

Wow, Stalin not that bad? He’s not as bad as Hitler but still close.

This is just American propaganda. Your parents' experience is at odds with most peoples'. Almost everyone who lived in the USSR preferred it to what came after.

[–] GrimChaos 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The goalposts are firmly intact. You said Russia had to illegally invade because ethnic cleaning... But you haven't provided any examples... You know, before the invasion, that would justify it. Hell, you haven't even proved that the government are Nazis. You can't just scream "NAZI!" and invade a sovereign country. You have a picture with Ukrainian Insurgent Army flags in the background and claims of ethic cleaning that came after the invasion.

Support for NATO has gone up since the second illegal invasion of Ukraine 2022 (support was lower before the second illegal invasion, poll from 2019 but it was still positive): https://www.pewresearch.org/global/?attachment_id=51128

Most European countries feel Russia is responsible for the war: https://images.app.goo.gl/SN8muD2Uwz9Z9RgU7

You can't have a vote during a military occupation... And you can't invade a sovereign country because you are popular there.

So, my parents were unique? Why haven't most former ussr countries tried to get closer with Russia? With the exception of Belarus, which has a dictator. Many countries fought to be in NATO so they wouldn't have to be under Russia again.

Hell, even Putin's quote, "Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The goalposts are firmly intact. You said Russia had to illegally invade because ethnic cleaning…

Well I obviously didn't say that because Russia's invasion was legal. It's telling that you feel the need to try to put words in my mouth though.

But you haven’t provided any examples… You know, before the invasion, that would justify it.

The invitation to come and protect them from Nazis by an autonomous republic isn't enough justification for you? The illegal coup? The illegal Nazi coup funded by the US that then killed protesters with snipers and started a civil war? The US went on to pillage the economy, bribe officials to give their kids crooked jobs (Biden for example). And you're asking why Crimea would be justified in asking for protection from these monsters?

Most Europeans want peace. The US and its puppets do not.

You can’t have a vote during a military occupation…

This Pew Research poll from 2014 found that 91% of Crimeans considered the referendum free and fair, and 88% felt Kyiv should accept the results.

And you can’t invade a sovereign country because you are popular there.

One, Ukraine was not a sovereign country, its sovereignty and its democracy were overthrown by America's Nazi goons.

Why haven’t most former ussr countries tried to get closer with Russia?

Why would they? Russia is a shithole. The USSR had a better standard of living than the USA in many cases.

Hell, even Putin’s quote, “Anyone who doesn’t regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.”

Nobody wants THE USSR back, but more and more people want A USSR back.

[–] GrimChaos 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said a lot of stuff with no evidence provided. And again, you can't just scream "NAZI" with no proof.

In fact, I declare that russians are Nazis!!!!! They do seem to act a lot like Nazis

"The invitation to come and protect them from Nazis by an autonomous republic isn't enough justification for you? The illegal coup? The illegal Nazi coup funded by the US that then killed protesters with snipers and started a civil war? The US went on to pillage the economy, bribe officials to give their kids crooked jobs (Biden for example)."

Ukraine is sovereign country and fully recognized by Russia in the Budapest Memorandum.

So, if the Freedom of Russia Legion goes into Belgorod and holds a vote... Then they can legally invite Ukraine in? And Russia will just lay down their arms?

Let's ask the Chechens how their independence movement is going... I'm sure the Russians fully supports that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll provide you with all the evidence you like. Just so I'm clear, what is it about the Ukronazis you deny exactly? Their existence or what?

In fact, I declare that russians are Nazis!!! They do seem to act a lot like Nazis

That's just what you're hearing in the news. It's full of propaganda targeted at you.

Ukraine is sovereign country and fully recognized by Russia in the Budapest Memorandum.

Ukraine was not a sovereign country after the USA couped it. They ousted the democratically elected leader and then ignored the democratic vote that refused to accept the puppet the replaced him with. You can read about that here in this very well sourced write up, there are many like it. The part about the US ignoring the vote and forcing their puppet in is in part 2.

So, if the Freedom of Russia Legion goes into Belgorod and holds a vote… Then they can legally invite Ukraine in? And Russia will just lay down their arms?

No I'm sure Russia wouldn't accept that, same as Ukraine not accepting Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk's choices. But if that happened and Russia had been ethnically cleansing Belgorod by banning languages and religions and shelling civilians, then I'd be siding with Ukraine on the matter.

Let’s ask the Chechens how their independence movement is going… I’m sure the Russians fully supports that

Look, I'm a communist. I don't like Russia. But I understand its motivations and they're not what we're being brainwashed with in the western media here. It could stage 20 more Ukraines and still not be as evil as the west and the USA in particular.

[–] GrimChaos 1 points 1 year ago

I am very left wing and still am to this day, I would say I'm a democratic socialist.

Growing up I never understood the hate for Russia (after the USSR) but then Russia started invading places similar to Hitler's appeasement method, seemly trying to restore the USSR.

Everyone I ever met that lived under Soviet rule has extreme hatred for Soviet union and Russian. And tend to be right wing... Which I never understood why. I feel like you made me understand them a bit more (I still think they are a bit crazy).

Thank you for helping you relate to thoses I see as crazy a bit better.

I am no longer replying.

I wish you the best and well wishes.