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You are missing the point. You literally said "we're the hardest species to kill on this planet by FAR given any sort of prep time". Well, our prep time is running right now. We've theorized about this potential catastrophy for almost 2 centuries and have had pretty solid understanding of it happening for half a century. What have we done in that time? Jack shit. Considering we're just wasting our prep time I certainly wouldn't be as confident as you are about us surviving. And even if we do survive our lives will be worse off, all because some oil execs chose to run a disinformation campaign so their profits wouldn't take a hit and people like you with their IDGAF attitude constantly derailing the issue.
We have a good thing here that we are certain to ruin because apparently we don't need to make sure that good thing sticks around as just surviving is good enough, right?
The planet is going to change. No matter what we do to it, it will heal. Period. Without question. Humanity is so hyperfocused on controlling everything around us, we forget that we don't matter nearly as much as we think we do. I dont think you comprehend the force the planet and all life on it withstood when the dinosaurs died out. Humanity ain't shit compared to that. We are not the masters of the universe. We're just another species on a single rock out of quadrillions. Check out what CO2 levels were 150million years ago and tell me that the earth will never recover from car emissions lmfao
Do you want to survive the next 50 years? Yes, the planet will be fine. Do you want some semblance of government that can manage day to day migration crises for want of food, lack of water, and oh yeah, continuous war over basic resources. But yes, the planet will be fine.
What about your children or if no child, your families descendants or any future human for that matter to enjoy what we've been spoiled with for our entire lives? And yes, I know... The planet WILL be fine. But we won't be and a lot of other species will go well before us... Many have gone already.
Humanity will be fine. We've survived ice ages before, and I'm sure we'll do so again. Suffering is a given. You are living in complete ignorance if you don't believe there is suffering in your very own city right now this moment, no matter where you live in the world. Would there be more if governments collapsed and wars raged all over the world? Sure. But there is and will never be any period of "no suffering". In fact, a massive population decline might very well lower the average suffering of the survivors for a while due to resource surplus. The point here is that humanity is not the end all be all of perspectives. Cataclysmic for us can be the dawn of a golden age for someone else. Give octopus or dolphins a shot.
So you're frustrated by climate change alarmists because even if civilization collapses there will still likely be humans in a cave somewhere, and the octopus might have a shot at taking over the world?
Fortunately most people aren't so horribly misanthropic; we actually care what happens to people.
I'm frustrated with climate alarmists because they are too busy alarmistizing the conversation to actually get productive about solutions. The only way we will ever see progress towards stabilizing our climate is when something other than human is in charge. I, for one, welcome our future robot overlords with open arms. We have thousands of years of history to prove to anyone with the eyes to see that humanity cannot be trusted to care for itself. AI is the best bet we have as long as we actually manage to birth the machine gods before we put ourselves back into the caves.