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In my mind, Oppenheimer figured out this when he said that:
are you really both-sidesing the literal nazis?
We never nuked the Nazis...But even if we did, are you saying that the Nazis being Nazis would've justified vaporizing every civilian man, woman, and child in a city or two?
Whether or not you'd say it was justified is a different beast altogether than having to be the one that made it possible in terms of responsibility.
Tangentially, many firing squads will have only one person have a real bullet(s) while the rest have blanks so that they don't all have to feel responsible for ending a life. Even that is setting justification aside.
So yes dropping the bomb to end the war in Europe early would have been justified. Now please stop being a literal nazi apologist.
>Literal Nazi apologist
Holy fuck...how about you don't use words that you so obviously don't understand.
"both sides were as bad as each other" is very obviously a stance in defence of the nazis, so i don't know what you think "apologist" means
Good thing I never fucking said that and would never agree with the statement. The point of the comic is that our lack of perspective taking and dehumanization of others enables terrible atrocities. That factor of dehumanizing propaganda exists on both sides but I'm not taking the comic so far as to equate us to the Nazis (again, not who we nuked in the first place) That's obviously a gross oversimplification.
You'd get more from the comic if you put Germany and Japan on the left. The mechanic of dehumanization oscillated out of control until we felt justified wiping out entire cities of Japanese. But if you're the one responsible for the atomic bomb, the atrocities of foreign soldiers would likely give you little peace as your invention vaporized kids in playgrounds...and babies in strollers and wombs...mothers who just wanted this stupid war to be over so their husband could come home and they could raise a family.
Next time, just ask a question before putting your dumbfuck words in someone else's mouth to justify calling them Nazi apologists.
"Are you saying both sides were as bad as each other ?" No, of course not. "Oh, my bad."
^ That's how this should've went.
You're assuming that Hitler would have just surrendered after seeing the atomic bomb, but there's no actual indication he would have. He was fucking nuts. At some point there was an actual race to Berlin, the Wehrmacht was completely annihilated, women and kids were on the front lines and still no surrender. He would have sacrificed every last German before surrendering
We'd be having the exact same conversation about how the Japanese would've never surrendered had we not the proof otherwise.