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From the article: "About a decade ago, Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a special team to cancel owners’ service appointments."

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[–] krische 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What happens to lithium after it's mined? What happens to oil after it's mined?

There's no comparing how much worse ICEs are compared to EVs.

[–] ghariksforge 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is no what happens to lithium afterwards. The problem is what the environmental cost of getting the lithium out of the earth.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/14/electric-cost-lithium-mining-decarbonasation-salt-flats-chile

[–] krische 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But once it's out, it's out. It can then be recycled and reused "forever".

You extract oil once and burn it once; then that carbon is stuck in the atmosphere "forever". Now you have to extract more oil and do it all over again.

That's the big difference, EVs don't consume lithium; they borrow it.

[–] ghariksforge 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's not how recycling works.

Most recycling today is PR anyway. Recycled stuff gets dumped into some poor third world country.

[–] markr 2 points 1 year ago

lithium and cobalt are highly recyclable. The problem is not recycling them the problem is getting all the recyclable batteries into the circular manufacturing process.

[–] krische 0 points 1 year ago

There's at least one company recycling EV batteries already, and that's even with the small amount of end-of-life batteries out there (most are still on the road): https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/heres-what-redwood-learned-in-its-first-year-of-ev-battery-recycling/

Recycled stuff gets dumped into some poor third world country.

That's definitely the case for low/zero value materials like plastics. But the materials in EV batteries are way too valuable to just throw away.