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Italy calls for 'immediate' summit between US, Europe following Zelensky-Trump clash (kyivindependent.com)

submitted 2 days ago by [email protected] to c/world

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Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has called for an "immediate" summit between the US, EU, and Western allies to discuss Ukraine following a heated White House meeting between Trump and President Zelenskyy.

The February 28 meeting ended without agreement on a minerals deal after escalating into a confrontation over US aid and peace deal conditions.

Meloni warned that Western division "makes us all weaker" as European leaders reaffirmed support for Ukraine.

EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas commented that "the free world needs a new leader," while European allies worry about being excluded from US-Russia negotiations to end the war.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree with meloni coming from a worst background but that background held no real core values too. What ideologies the mafia has? If needed they would even resort to kill children like they have done many times. What i'm trying to highlight to you is that scum simply doesn't play by the rules. If tomorrow international press were to start shitting on the church this person would do a 360 and change their views like mussolini did with lateran treaty

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And that's where I disagree. Playing by the rules has nothing to do with not having values. MSI had ideology, their founders came directly from RSI and never renegaded the fascist regime, and Fini - who "evolved" the right wing - is seen as a traitor by those in Almirante's school because he did renegade fascism (at least, formally). Meloni's party could have turned populist and pursue more favorable positions, and instead she stuck with her shitty ideas despite having minimal consensus early on.

If tomorrow international press were to start shitting on the church this person would do a 360 and change their views like mussolini did with lateran treaty

I don't think so at all. It's a speculation of course. Which to me makes it worse, because the idea of Christianity she has (conservative, strict gender roles, strong "moral" values, etc.) survives the relationship with the church itself, even if this one should evolve (unlikely). Take for example abortion. Abortion has wide support among Italian population. Despite this, she still sticks with her reactionary position, because this is descending from those core values. Look instead Salvini's relationship with religion to see what an ideological whore looks like...

By the way, you are talking about Mussolini's evolution, but that was before he founded fascism, and anyway his Later treaties were a perfect political instrument to gain power. Deschner in "Kriminalgeschichte des Christentums" (Criminal history of Christianity) covers the whole timeline quite in depth, and if it was not for the church support he wouldn't have managed to pass the "leggi fascistissime" (including the electoral reform) which ultimately lead him to take full power, via the alienation of Sturzo.

So once again, Mussolini's relationship with the church is debatable and mostly functional to him pursuing his power grab. For sure there are strong overlaps with traditional christian morality and fascism, but I see these as more part of the strategy to form a strong identity around which to build nationalism.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

MSI had ideology, their founders came directly from RSI and never renegaded the fascist regime

Fascists fought WWII against the allies and lost to them, these people siding with USA make them sound like the perfect renegates.

I don’t think so at all. It’s a speculation of course.

They scream shit all day and then do the opposite, you know they would do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I already mentioned why atlantism is a position ad a result of anticommunism. We are going in cirlces I guess.