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Okay, here's the problem with the idea that oppressed groups can "alienate allies" by not being nice enough:
You shouldn't be an ally because oppressed groups are nice to you. You should be an ally because you believe they deserve basic human rights. Hearing "I hate men" shouldn't make men stop being feminist. Hearing "fuck white people" shouldn't make white people stop opposing racism.
Your opposition to oppression should be moral, and immovable. Your belief that all humans should be treated with equal respect shouldn't be conditional based on whether or not individual people are nice to you.

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[–] stealth_socks 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Couldnt someone use the same logic to say "Because some feminists hate men all feminists hate men"? I understand wanting to prevent people from detaching themselves from the problem but this just feels unnecessarily antagonistic.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Only if they were arguing in bad faith (because obvious false equivalence)
which is in itself antagonistic
Yet it's only ever the marginalised people who are required to be polite and accommodating in order to say even the most basic shit, never mind being heard on serious issues
All you understand is ways to protect your own feelings

[–] stealth_socks 8 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry but I really dont see the difference between "because some feminists are awful all feminists are awful" and "because some men are awful all men are awful". Theyre both bad faith arguments that likely only exist to justify the prejudice of the user. At the end of the day hating people over something like the colour of their skin or their gender is wrong. And normalising the use of that sort of hate in a group will quickly turn it into a hate group.