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OK, but I don't think I'll be able to get a signal at that point.
fair enough, but then you would actually be experiencing what people claim is currently happening, even though practically nothing has changed in day to day life, federally it might be a fucking mess, but you can suffer a lot of harm before things actually start getting bad, especially as a bureaucratic body.
what we have here is a failure of imagination.
(and a lack of basic understanding of historical trends and long term forecasting)
i assure you, my imagination works just fine, i tend to rely on reality, and facts, when talking about uh, real world things that actually happen, rather than made up statements and vibes, so.
It’s been less than a month, tell me how things are in a year.
that's literally what im saying lmao, it's only been one month, we literally have no time for any significant change to set in, come back in a year, when people are starving and dying (if they are) and tell me then.
I think most of us see the writing on the wall, and are waiting for you to catch up and stop being in denial.
look man, i will be the first to admit that this is going downhill fast when it starts happening, my problem is that it hasnt yet happened, this is all speculative.
Keep speculating and watch other people be right on the money.
you are also welcome to speculate about what's going to happen, however you aren't you're forecasting the future as if you know exactly what's going to happen.
Unlike me, who will admit i'm wrong, and change my message, you won't admit you're wrong, and you'll pivot to the next talking point because it's the only thing that consumes your waking life.
Nah, I’ll be right. I’m very confident.
whatever you say, i'll be right where i was in four year time if i'm correct, and not much will have changed for you. And if i was wrong, and you were right, we will both be dead by then.
The US is big enough that it will take a long time for things to change drastically. Even when a large company gets a new president, it can take months before low level employees feel the changes. I really hope that it'll be slow enough that most will be spared any suffering, and perhaps the next administration could start to reverse the tide.
yeah, that's my assumption, i assume we're going to be "weathering a storm" so to speak, but nothing on the level of war torn countries in south africa for example. That's just not likely.
It's a gradual decline, but it will continue to happen for decades.
The sad part about this is people who are wasting away waiting for the day that never comes. We should realize today that America will not improve or do anything to reduce the disparity in wealth so we're not disappointed in the future.
Alternatively, as a little side-hobby, we can be more politically active locally, voicing our opinions and trying to educate the local populace of the immense wealth disparity and the issue of corporate money in politics. No doubt those are easy concessions to agree on and no doubt things are just going to get worse as the rug slowly gets pulled. It's only going to be easier with time to win over more folx with the fact that they're in the same boat as us and it's sinking. We can be proactive with small amounts of our time to involve ourselves in (local) politics. Spreading ideas and voicing opinions has always been the defacto way to progress. Change starts locally and spreads from there.
This is the real, "I don't spend all my life on internet forums" answer.
Most of this really is just optics. Even with the first Trump presidency, my life did not meaningfully change aside from having to hear about him nonstop.
It's when people's regular lives start to change for the worse that we'll start to see them fighting back against someone like Trump. Like it or not, most of what Trump does is affecting people other than Americans.
real shit.
People don't go outside, this is why things like setting a bar for "oh shit oh fuck" is important, a litmus test if you will.