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That's trivial when youre boycotting a single company that isn't relevant for some large industry, but try boycotting some large fossil fuels company.
You simply can not trace back the origins of all the products you use which have employed petroleum products at one point or another in the manufacturing process.
Being a moral consumer is legitimately impossible.
If you managed to have enough money to buy yourself a bit of land and built literally everything by hand, then perhaps you might avoid contributing to capitalism, but unless you plan to abandon literally all modern conveniences and hand-forge plumbing for your outhouse, it's not going to work.
It's not a strawman when there isn't a version of the argument that isn't hard to attack. I just steel-manned the argument and it still doesn't work.
Seems pretty straightforward.
You proved it's impossible to be a completely ethical consumer, but did you prove that it's necessary to be a consumer at all? Or that all volumes of consumption are equally culpable?
Depends on how you define it
In 1906, Alfred Henry Lewis stated, “There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy.”
Personal consumption accounted for 68.8% of US GDP in at the end of 2024, an all time high. Granted, ~45% of that is very hard to cut back on (healthcare, insurance, housing).
But even still, a drop of 10-15% would be devastating. If you could organize it, you could even skip payments on the big ticket services. Everyone skipping a month of bills at the same time would do serious, recession-level damage.
It's not a direct fix for our problems, but you can play serious economic chicken when most of the economy flows through your wallets.
Yes, you can influence the system while participating in it.
My point exactly.
You can't completely isolate yourself and boycott everything that should be boycotted, and it's not gonna be even marginally as effective as if a large group of people boycott a specific thing. Focus the economic power of many and you get results, instead of individually trying to boycott every single thing.