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    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Installing programs through Windows is now (thankfully) more align with Linux.

    winget install firefox > see two different forms, one from Windows Store (ew) and the one provided and hosted by Mozilla > winget install mozilla.firefox > program installs

    When updating: winget upgrade shows available updates > winget upgrade --all updates all the listed programs

    Not as good as Linux of course, but much better than the old method you stated. That point I will give to you, as it is still not simple for the average user. "Terminal? WTF is that?"

    I generally don't have any annoyances with Windows because it does the things I need it to. I don't find a UAC popups as annoying, because it is supposed to help prevent people from messing their computer up. The same could be said for the average person on Linux running random commands they found online because the thing they were expecting their computer to do isn't doing the thing.

    Windows has never broken on me, so I do not have a good rebuttal for that. I can at least say that when Linux has been borked before on my own hardware, I essentially had to put the ISO back on the single USB I owned at the time just to reinstall the entire OS again, because again, I didn't know anything about Linux at this time. While in Windows, if the computer doesn't boot properly 3 times, it brings up the Windows Recovery menu that has in plain English what available options you have to get your install back in at least some working manner. Again, you must keep the average person in mind. You and I are not what I would consider average in this context.

    Again, point to you for the changes to UI that Micro$oft introduce. Very, very, very stupid UI/UX redesign choices, and without an alternate avenue at that! (there are a few programs that try to replace some of the Windows UI to get it back to how it should be, but of course that can introduce entirely new issues...)

    I've been knuckle dragging my way into Linux more and more for 15 years. That's why I have such a strong opinion on what they could do better for the average people. UI/GUI is a must have to get people to even consider ditching Windows. That's without even taking into consideration that most of the programs I run personally do not even have a Linux alternative, and Wine/Bottles/Lutris/Heroic can not remedy without loads of understanding what you're supposed to change here and there for that specific program. That is a real nightmare in my view.

    You are mostly correct that I am very much more used to the "plug and play and it just works" of Windows, but having to go and edit some config file somewhere on my computer, instead of it just being an option in the settings or in the file manager itself, is just insane to a person who just wants to set it and forget it, like I can do with Windows.

    Obviously, my time with Windows is not the average either, so I can see your points. I love Linux, what it stands for, and how it is community driven. I want it to be better so I can finally delete Windows forever.

    [–] FauxLiving 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I still use and support the users of Windows.

    I do like winget (and chocolate), but the software repo doesn't have everything and so people are still conditioned into going online and searching for executable file to run as admin.

    I can't count the amount of times that I've had to reinstall Windows because a user was tricked into downloading the wrong file and infected themselves (and the rest of the network).

    I'd say that if you had a brand new person who needed to learn an OS then Windows and Linux are very close in difficulty as of today. I prefer to use Linux because I like the amount of information and control that is afforded to me

    But, I play video games, use VR and deal with applications that only support Windows so I have a Windows drive handy.

    Sure, mapping a (Samba) network drive is easy, and possible via GUI, in Windows, but have you tried to use NFS?

    You need a Professional license ($100) first of all, and even then, you can only use NFSv3. The Powershell ~~command~~ cmdlet to mount is a trainwreck: >!New-PSDrive Z -PsProvider FileSystem -Root \10.40.1.1\export\isos -Persist!<. It's so bad that Microsoft implemented an alias, 'mount', so you can pretend it's a Linux command and it translates it into Powershell-ese.

    Now you gotta upgrade to Windows 11 by next year, use a Microsoft account (Yes, I know the workaround) and let your computer's contents be indexed and fed to Microsoft in the name of integrating an AI feature that's complete opaque to the user.

    I'm not a frog that likes to be boiled, so I deal with Linux problems which seems quaint by comparison.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

    Honestly, I don't know what the difference is other than maybe Samba is easier to work with Windows than NFS? I have never had to use NFS, so there is that.

    Yeah, I try to avoid talking about terminal commands, because we are trying to view it from the perspective of an average user. I brought those commands up just to show awareness of similar-esque methods you brought up. Even winget is not resistant to chicanery of some bad actor/s.

    As for Windows 11, I've been on it since late 2022. It hasn't caused me any distress, but that's truly only because of the extra precautions I took when installing it. The workaround you mentioned, alongside of using ChrisTitusTech's Winutil setup to stop as much bullshit as possible. Again though, an average user wouldn't even know what's wrong with Windows to begin with.