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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

If the public doesn't control the political parties or their political orientation through voting or councils, socialism is pretty useless, it could even be argued that a society with an illiberal state cannot be socialist, because while it may not have an owning class it sure has a bureaucratic ruling class.

Read: The Average Joe in China cannot decide what their workplace is doing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mikhail Bakunin's "socialism without liberty is slavery" quote comes to mind.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Exactly, you can't liberate people by shackling them.

But I guess war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.

[–] Pilferjinx 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Trust me, bro. Your suffering is in your best interest."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

L'Prolétariat, c'est moi

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Your comment inspired me to create a post about it, thanks lmao