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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It sounds like he tried that, and nobody with authority responded until he went outside the list. Even now, Linus hasn't actually answered the question of whether more rust code should be allowed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No offense, but reading through the comments it's apparent you're not very familiar with systems programming nor linux development. This is a common problem with vocal 'rustaceans', rust is their hammer regardless of the domain.

Although considering rust is prudent, there are still a ton of advantages to using C for systems programming. It is not a binary choice, there are pros and cons, and every project should choose what aligns with their priorities.

No one has ever stated that linux will be in the kernel. It was 'go ahead and give it a shot', which includes convincing maintainers to accept your patches. Linus has delegated trust to subsystems maintainers and an established process.

Hellwig could have been more tactful, but like it or not, arguments against a cross-language codebase have merit. Framing it as a 'clear confession of sabotage of the r4l project', attempting to weaponize the CoC, and trying to drum up an army via social media was all out of line.

Success was never a given, if they want r4l to succeed then they have to get patches approved and crying wolf ain't gonna cut it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Isn't on of the issues on why they wanted rust is a lack of new blood in the kernel development?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure, I saw that, too. This is Linus saying he won't play that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So he won't answer on-list. He won't respond to off-list. I don't blame marcan for getting frustrated.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I don't blame him for being frustrated. I definitely empathize with him here. I don't know about the culture around committing to the kernal, but maybe it would be better to fork and make the case with action?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Forking the Linux kernel is unlikely to go anywhere.

There is Redox, a Unix-like whole OS implemented in Rust, though I don't know if being able to run unmodified Linux binaries is one of their goals. It looks like they're expecting most software to be ported.