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But the people who stayed home because the democrats didn't offer them a pony are noble and should be regarded with the utmost respect!
Oh, the extreme submissiveness of those who chose to blame for an electoral loss the millions who did not vote for the Leaders who refused to move an inch towards the interests of those voters rather than blaming the handful of Leaders for not moving an inch towards the interests of millions of otherwise natural voters (in fact, they even moved away).
It takes quite a "the boss is always right" butt-kissing boot-liking mindset to blame millions for not following an asshole rather than blaming "the boss" for being an asshole.
One of the most eye-openning discoveries here on Lemmy during this whole Electoral Process in the US is just how many of the "centrists" in America have interiorized a quite extreme level of unchallenging subservience to those they believe are their leaders.
You're an idiot. Again, the democrats didn't offer a pony, so dumbasses chose fascism. They chose not to participate in this election, and now there will be no more elections.
They really stuck it to the Democrat leaders though, right? Millions of people will have to suffer and die because people decided to throw a tantrum instead of stopping fascism.
That submissiviness is so deeply engrained that still now you can't criticize the handful of people at the top of only Party with a chance to defeat Trump who by a gigantic margin had the most power out of everybody in the whole damn country to sway the election and "Stop Trump" (as they demanded from others and their useful idiots parroted) and who refused to move an inch on it, and instead you persist on blaming the plebes with their 1-in-240,000,000 voting "power" who did not suitably grovel and supported your Party's Royalty whilst they treated them worse than trash.
I've seen more realistic and hard nosed takes on the relation between the people and their leaders involving actual Royalty, than that "it's all the faults of the plebes" propaganda you and your fellow arse-kissers keep repeating.
But, hey, you keep on licking that boot. Yummy yummy.
Did I ever say the democrats weren't to blame for the situation? Both democrats and idiots who stayed home are to blame.
Stop trying to justify letting fascism happen.
You relentlessly and repeatedly persist in voicing criticism for the choices of the near-powerless whilst staying silent on the choices of the powerful.
This is to the point that when confronted with it you claim that you never dismissed the blame of the powerful, immediatelly followed by once again NOT blaming the powerfull and instead throw even more insults towards the near-powerless that didn't suitably support those very same powerful people (whom you have so far, already 3 posts down, not criticized) who didn't even try to appeal to them.
The nicest possible interpretation of your mindless repeating of that mantra even whilst claiming you're not doing it, is that all that shoe polish you must have ingested has affected your brain.
The voters weren't near powerless (they are now, though). In fact, they had all of the power. They were literally the last defense we had against fascism, and 1/3 of them chose to not stop it because the democrats ran a bad campaign.
The Democrat leadership was irrelevant at election time. The choice was between the status quo and fascism. There's no nuance. Because guess what? The Democrat leadership is now completely irrelevant because you can't vote out fascism.
If you didn't vote against fascism, you are complicit in it happening.
And I am blaming the powerful. The reason I didn't focus on that is because you already blame the powerful, but you're trying to excuse the voters who absolutely share culpability, which is why I focused on them.
1 in 244,000,000 votes in an electoral system so bad only 2 choices, ever, are viable, is damn near powerless, barely above being a common citizen in an autocratic dictatorship.
The Democratic Party leadership are veritable Gods in terms of the power they have in comparison with the poor sods you, like some kind of windup flag waving muppet, are raging against as enablers of Fascism and idiots.
If as you try to claim your Rage was truly against those who made choices that led to a Trump victory and Fascism in America, and thus fairly approportioning blame by taking in account each person's ability to stop Trump and their refusal to do so (especially those who dishonestly shouted that their greatest priority was to "Stop Trump!" and then went and put other priorities above that), this raging you've shown here against the riff-raff for not at all voting (not even for voting Trump, but for just not voting) would have an equivalent rage against DNC member so huge that you would have your bloody own nuclear program just so that you could nuke their offices and homes, so great was their power to make sure Trump was Stopped and so little were they willing to concede to make it happen, often acting in ways that actually boosted Trump's chances.
After Trump himself and the Republicans, the by far bigger contributors to a Trump victory and Fascism in America were the top Democrat politicians who, to get all that sweet AIPAC and corporate dosh, actively chose to deny the wishes of so many voters that their candidate lost against a known giant bullshitter and convicted criminal like Trump even after Trump's disgraceful first term.
The people you here - following EXACTLY the propaganda line straight out of the DNC on justifying their incredible, disgraceful loss - are raging against like a madman, those who simply did not vote, are dead last in the blame list, and whilst not blameless they're a long, long distance from people who had far more power than them.
Even better, YOU and people like you who have loudly and mindlessly like good little muppets supported the Democrat Party Leadership no matter what they did, by helping convince those powerful people that they had enough useful idiots to win the election no matter how little they listened to voters, have more blame than non-voters for Fascism in America: for at least a year I've seen you muppets here in Lemmy supporting the DNC's strategy of "Don't do shit to address voter concerns and try instead to scare voters into voting for us whilst doing the opposite of what they want", an extraordinarily bad and risky strategy whose choice as the Democrat Party Presidential Campaign Strategy can only be explained by the DNC members wanting to keep getting money from the AIPAC and fat-cat business interests, and a strategy which failed miserably, an outcome which was from the very start highly likely, so bad is that strategy.
Though supporting an incredibly bad electoral strategy against Trump whose only upside was personal upside maximization for those people leading the Democrat Party, you mindless tribalist muppets have much more blame for Fascism in America that any non-voters and, even better, in the very same way as Trump-supporting muppets, you lack the intelligence and self-awareness to see it and in a good old Hard Right tradition chose to blame the least powerful of all people.
I think I've figured out what's wrong with people like you. You have no concept of prioritization.
If someone throws a Molotov cocktail through your window, fixing the window first is stupid.
The broken window is absolutely a problem that needs to be dealt with, but the house is currently on fire, so the window needs to wait until that's addressed. You can never fix the window if the house burns down.
Every battle has a time and place, and this was not the time or place to try to force Democrat leadership to change.
I hated the fact that Biden ran in 2020. I hate the fact that he ran again in 2024. I hated that we didn't get to have a primary and got stuck with Kamala. I hated that the DNC supported Israel. I hated how they shifted right to try to court semi sane republicans.
But I hated fascism more and sucked it up and defied it.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, but you made the wrong decision and people will suffer because of it.
But you haven't thought of how clean their hands are.
"Didn't offer them a pony" doesn't equate to "stop funding a genocide in Israel". This level of callousness is exactly why people stayed home
If they thought genocide in Israel was bad, why did they make it worse and global?
If they cared about human rights, they'd be defending human rights. People who make matters worse out of spite are not the good guys. I wish they at least owned their awfulness instead of crying all over social media how people blame them for the things they actually did, when they themselves happily boasted about it just a month ago.
I'm getting so tired of liberals who spend all their time complaining about people not supporting their preferred genocidaire instead of demanding candidates that aren't aspiring genocidaires.
It is the candidate's job to win the election, not the electorate's. If the anti-genocide voting bloc was enough to swing the election (it wasn't) then maybe your candidate shouldn't have supported a fucking genocide in spite of that.
The US style "Liberals" seem to be incredibly subservient, prefering to blame millions of people for not chosing their "boss" rather than the "boss" for not even trying to appeal to those people.
All the talk of the supposedly Go Getter and Independent spirit in America and yet around here we are faced with an overwhelming amount of American arse-kissers who are seemingly unable to even conceive that maybe, just maybe, "the boss" was the one who did things the wrong way, causing millions to refuse to chose them and hence has most of the blame for the outcome.
On the upside, watching this is a wonderful opportunity to learn a lot about the evils of people being mindless unchallenging followers of "Leaders" in Politics.
People didn't abstain from spite, they abstained from a correct belief that the system doesn't work for them, or they couldn't vote against their conscience. Your own framing of lesser evilism and weighting voting more than other kinds of political activity inevitably creates the situation where people can't just cast a vote strategically. You dismiss 3/4 of the picture in order to make a point based on only 1/4 of the information, in other words, you are distorting the truth to fit your narrative.
Politics often comes down to a struggle between two views, but your attempt to shunt anyone who didn't vote the way you did into some enemy category is, predictably, no strategy at all. Unless your strategy is to divide the electorate, which sort of defeats your entire premise.
Actually try to understand other people as having minds and wills of their own, rather than narcissistically making your own view the objective one (like a religion might) and then condemning others (like a religion might) for their sins.
Their not voting created this situation in the first place. They wanted this situation. People who are hurt by this situation are rather justified in hating the people who put them into it. You say it's because these people choose to do this on their own, because of their own free will. I agree with you on this. But THEIR justification in creating this situation does not fucking matter to others. It does not matter if somebody stabs you in the back because they hate you or because they are trying to make a point or out of boredom or out of some philosophical whatnot, what matters to you is that you have a knife sticking out of your back and bleeding to death. And when you turn around, what you see is your attacker crying a river about their right to stab you and why are you blaming them? It's not like THEY hate you like THOSE other guys!
Fact is that if they voted for the other side, they would have a perfectly stable democracy (lol, not really) where they could then campaign for stuff they want without the world being on fire around them. Which btw, they aren't doing with the word being on fire around them either, but if they did it now, they'd be wiped off it by the powers they put into place.
Your "leaders" created this situation in the first place by refusing to even acknowledge the concerns of those voters, much less address them.
It would be far more reasonable for a handful of Democrat Party leaders to move their position in a handful of subjects to address grave moral concerns of millions of their natural voters than for them to expect than they could get the votes of all the millions for whom those things were important without conceding an inch on those subjects.
Want to see who gave the election to Trump on a platter: look inside the Democrat Party.
You are entitled to hate whoever you like, but hate doesn't make you right. In fact it might be altering your judgement just a little.
I think its a little dishonest to collapse everything down to this one moment, that decides the moral standing of a person, whether they are for or against the movement to defeat trump and the criminal right wing. Its important to take into considerations what came before, at least, not to mention that the country is a big diverse place largely controlled by private interests. If you aren't out here trying to educate people and wanna sit on the sidelines and judge others I won't stop you, but IMO you really have very little right to judge when the time comes.
It's not dishonest. This election was a vote between the status quo and outright fascism. If you didn't vote against fascism, you supported it.
There's no nuance here. Your reasons don't matter. If you didn't vote against the guy who straight up said he would be a dictator, you're culpable for the situation we're in now.
You people treat this like it's some zero sum game. The democrats did screw the pooch, but so did the people who didn't vote to stop fascism. Both can be true.
Why so quick to blame the people rather than the democrats incompetence. You say its all or nothing until you need nuance to support your perspective. Even if you're right, and the emphasis of blame, what blame is going to accomplish though remains a mystery, is on the people who didn't vote, it doesn't justify this seething, well you called it, hate.
What is it with you, good and evil, love and hate, is this really a political platform or strategy that others should adopt? I'm actually serious, if some politician got up in front of america with your rhetoric it would be called demagoguery. Which doesn't make you wrong necessarily, like I've said I agree with your central argument, but the way you represent it is incredibly toxic, and a big reason why many people stayed home in fact.
In fighting the right you have become exactly what the right says about the left, so much so it is beyond parody. Some might call it ironic, but I would say it is dialectical. Hopefully you get over this issue you seem to be stuck on, so I dont have to waste any more time on you or others who myopically follow your same flawed rationale, which does nothing but give cover to the democrats and consultants who so badly lost this election. This is why hate is a dead end, it blunts your ability to reason through these very important problems brought on by the rise of Trump, but also capitalism more generally.
Because the democrats aren't the only ones who deserve the blame. Like I said, the democrats are to blame and the people who didn't vote are to blame. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Many systems failed getting us to this point, but voting was the very last line of defense.
I'm not trying to absolve the democrats for running a garbage campaign, but you're trying to absolve the people who knew the consequences of their actions and chose to sit back and let it happen.
Again, because the democrats didn't give them a pony, they chose to let fascism happen, and now they're trying to justify it.
"Didn't give them a pony" and "didn't stop genociding Palestinian children" are actually mutually exclusive concepts.
I'm giving them a pass at what? They hold no institutional power, why kick down like some conservative? No I believe in holding power responsible.
The nyt published this yesterday https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/02/us/politics/democrats-trump.html where top democrats admit they have nothing to offer voters, other than "not Trump." It's not giving them a pass to like try and imagine their perspective, based on actual research done by polling agencies, publications, as well as IRL conversations. I feel like you just want to feel better than others, to believe that the action you took made a difference, and maybe you need that justification to deal with the world.
Especially since it was a good amount of bullying to vote against Trump by the democrats and their mouthpieces that caused people to be disaffected and stay home. So I agree there is plenty of blame to go around, but let's not leave out one of the main culprits: people like you who make discourse toxic and muddy the waters with false framings of very important issues, because their leaders are incompetent nincompoops who can't do anything but go to brunch and blame the left for every problem they created.
If your excuse for sitting out this election was because of the Palestinian genocide, you are a special kind of stupid. There was not a single option for this election that would have stopped it. Full stop.
Harris and Biden may not have been ideal, but they weren't going to actively make the situation worse like Trump. They were actually pushing for a ceasefire.
Now, you'll never get the chance to have a fair election again, because you can't vote out fascism. Your tantrum cost you the country and it's going to end with genocide here. Millions are going to suffer and die slow and painful deaths because you decided to stick it to the democrats.
You can try to distance yourself from this as much as you want, but the only way for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing, and you did nothing and let evil triumph.
For the umpteenth time I voted, I never encouraged other people not to vote, I agree with the logic that says vote to keep trump out. How many times do in have to tell you people, I'm extremely politically active I am the opposite of "do nothing and let evil" do anything. I'm on keywiki, are you? I helped organize palestinian liberation groups because of my convictions. All you did was vote, which I also did, but I don't spend the next 4 years using it against people. Its what I do on one day of political activity, and then I do other things as well.
What have you organized since Trump came to power? I've been helping/working to distribute lit to immigrants, and set up an immigrant rights group in my city. So please spare me the sanctimonious strawman, please? I'm not what you think I am, clearly. Save your paragraphs for yourself, if you're so determined to indict a hypocrite.
Leave me alone now