Are we claiming now that Activity Pub is the only protocol that we can use for the fediverse? I think XMPP is roughly 30 years old at this point, and I'm pretty sure Activity Pub is much younger than that. I could be wrong though.

But regardless, I don't see why Activity Pub has to be the only protocol we accept to be considered a part of the fediverse. It's not even like different AP implementations talk to each other all that well. My understanding is that Mastodon doesn't federate that well with Lemmy, and I haven't seen Loops or Pixelfed on Lemmy yet either.

I'd be happy to be corrected on any of this though, I haven't looked too closely into exactly how AP works or how it's supposed to interoperate with different applications.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

I mean, yeah... the fediverse, specifically, are AP servers, which is why we don't include diaspora for it.

It's decentralized and federated, to be sure, just not the "fediverse".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I'd like to argue that using AP is an inconsistent rule for membership. For example, Diaspora has been considered to be part of the fediverse from early on, but it doesn't use AP.

I don't really know where to draw the line. AP simply isn't suitable for some applications, but it makes sense to include it for branding

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know of anyone who include d*, accepting the tiny number of d* pods that also speak AP.

I mean, nostr is also NOT part of the fediverse, but another federated and decentralized network.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Both Wikipedia and fediverse.party consider Diaspora, and a handful of other (mostly defunct) protocols as being part of the fediverse.

I don't really like the use of AP to be a qualification of being in the fediverse. There must be a better way to qualify a platform, even if it means that use of AP is a natural consequence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

afaik ap is not a hard requirement for being in the fediverse, matrix is often included because it has the same federation idea

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Then email is a part of the fediverse? UUCP nets? IRC nets?

All federated, none speak AP.

I think a good working definition is "speaks the w3c standard AP". Otherwise, its totally lost its meaning.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

what about diaspora?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago

D* generally isn't, excepting the few instances that also speak AP.

[–] davidagain 15 points 13 hours ago

Absolutely, signal isn't federated, but I don't want my messaging app to be federated. I want my social media to be federated. Lemmy is good because it's open. Signal is good because it's shut.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Don't use Matrix the devs knew about sidechannel vulnerabilities and ignored them for years. This is peak negligence and should immediately disqualify you from touching anything security related.

[–] autonomoususer 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

You do not have a solution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I do, use Signal if you care about privacy. They are the only game in town when it comes to reasonably secure chat software. Sure, I would prefer a federated alternative but I haven't found one yet that is always end-to-end encrypted, open source, implements forward secrecy, and is user friendly enough to be used by my grandmother.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

SimpleX is better, you don't even need a phone number.

[–] autonomoususer 1 points 3 hours ago

Thanks