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Article: https://proton.me/blog/deepseek

Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.

I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

wait, what? How did I miss that? I use protonmail, and I didn't see anything about an LLM in the mail client. Nor have I noticed it when I check my mail. Where/how do I find and disable that shit?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 45 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you. I've saved the link and will be disabling it next time I log in. Can't fucking escape this AI/LLM bullshit anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

The combination of AI, crypto wallet and CEO's pro-MAGA comments (all within six months or so!) are why I quit Proton. They've completely lost the plot. I just want a reliable email service and file storage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

Crypto and AI focus was a weird step before all this came out. But now we know Andy is pro republican… completes a very unappealing picture. We should have a database tho, plenty of c level execs and investor groups do far worse and get no scrutiny simply because they don’t post about it on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I'm considering leaving proton too. The two things I really care about are simplelogin and the VPN with port forwarding. As far as I understand it, proton is about the last VPN option you can trust with port forwarding

[–] [email protected] 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Happily using AirVPN for port forwarding.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I'm strongly considering switching to them! How do you like it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I have been using them for the same reason after trying a couple of other ones. I didn't like their client for Linux, but I'm happy otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

The fact that they have so many clients for different Linux distros was something I liked. I was trying to figure out how to move to Bazzite, and they have an RPM build that you can easily install.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

No complaints here. At first I thought the gui was inferior to surfshark's. But then I realized surfshark's only looks more polished (at least on linux/gnome). It works fine.

And if you really want to be paranoid (while also using an environment-destroying tech), you could pay with monero and then they don't really have much info on you (except your IP)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The interface - GUI and website - is straight out of 2008 and documentation could be better, but otherwise it works just fine for torrenting and browsing. No complaints there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Can you easily get config files to set up wireguard without having to use their app? Secondarily to that, how easy is their port forwarding setup?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They have their own config generator and port forwarding is really easy to set up IMO. Both need to be logged in to see, though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

Thank you. I'm going to check them out. Appreciate the links and info!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

As far as I understand it, proton is about the last VPN option you can trust with port forwarding

Could you explain this part please? What makes them untrustworthy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not 100% sure if you mean what do I think makes proton untrustworthy, or what do I think makes other vpns untrustworthy?

If you're referring to proton, some of the statements Andy Yen have made recently are painting proton as less neutral than they claim to be.

I'm also generally aware that a LOT of vpn outfits are just a different company mining your traffic and data, and that there are few "no log" vpns that you can trust.

Despite their recent statements that sour my taste in giving proton money (and the ai bullshit that every goddam company is shoving down our throats), I trust proton when they say no logs. They're regularly audited for it.

I don't trust all these other VPN companies that claim to be no log and have nothing to back them up. Especially when several of them have been caught logging and mining/selling the data they claim to not be logging.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

less neutral than they claim to be.

The story of Switzerland in the imperial core

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

Apologies, I misread your comment and though you said protonvpn was untrustworthy. I'm not a VPN user so I'm not up to date with the rep of any of them, but I am a proton mail user so I was worried about the technical integrity of one of their products

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

Once all that crap came out, I felt incredibly justified by never having switched to Proton.

It was entirely out of laziness, but still